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Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Does anyone else feel like we’re going down the path of internet Balkanization? Not in any immediate sense, but it seems like a slow rolling type of narrative that we will retrospectively see at the end of the 21st century. I don’t have any _real_ evidence to support this feeling of mine, but occasionally there are blips like this that make me wonder.

Heres a few data points to argue that this should be the case.

India's most populous and likely poorest state, had 202 mn people in 2012; nearly 2/3rds of the current US population.

Here are some cities and numbers for scale (Google search)

Mumbai had ~20.4 mn people. Cairo has ~20.9 mn. Dhaka 21 mn Mexico city 21.7

New Zealand had 4.8 mn people in 2018. Canada - 37.59 Mayanmar - 53.71 The UK - 66 mn Vietnam 95.5 mn

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A few years ago, Mexico had a spate of gang violence. News about it was suppressed by the govt.

A woman driving along the road uploaded a video she had taken. It showed shell cases strewn on the roads, burnt out trucks, and the aftermath of that violence.

IT went viral on Facebook, going against the Government narrative and letting a slice of reality get observed.

Until morning came around to the UK. At which point someone opened facebook, and saw the gore. They were able to call people they knew at FB and say "why am I/my kids seeing this?".

And FB responded and took it down, for breaking site rules.

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FB wasn't necessarily wrong, but it was definitely partial. When the blood and gore rule was enforced during the Boston bombings, senior employees overruled it citing newsworthiness.

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Your guess that the net will be balkanized is quite likely true.

FB spends great efforts to have local presence in each market. They recruit policy people, and negotiators. However, the platform does help broadcast content.

And if someone at FB can decide what is newsworthy or not, then why wouldn't local leaders crave that same power?

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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And then pick and choose sound bites to report to form a narrative.

That could be analysed. What’s the average length of clip of Trump/WH talking on the various news networks and total per hour on the subject. It’s measuring the quantitative part.

Honestly, I stopped believing the media reporting of Trump once I listened to the full audio of his speech about the awful events in Charlottesville. Literally immediately after the 'both sides' soundbite he goes on to explicitly denounce nazis, and yet the media censored that, to make it appear as if he were defending them. It's so blatant, it's insane.

Like I've said before around here, in 2016, I couldn't stand the man, but the way the media treats him, I find myself rooting for him. Every problem about Trump is their own creation.

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Nope. Definitely not buying that was the original population mentioned: it doesn't follow your original claim and it doesn't follow your reply. > All of the major social media companies blocked a significant portion of the population because of the attempted subversion of democracy in the country. Parler users are not a significant portion of the population. They were not blocked by "all social media companies", thei…

I can see now that this discussion will not be fruitful.

Already been quite fruitful

Once again it's been proven that, even after facing the worst case so far, presidents using their platform to threaten nuclear war... people still have to resort to embellishments and straight up fabrications to support doomsday theories that just haven't panned out.

Twitter did not falter in their dedication to avoid censorship until people's blood were quite literally on this person's hands before finally taking a stand.

It's probably been a difficult 4 years for some people at Twitter turning cheek after cheek, they're earned their extra 11 days of rest.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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I appreciate you pointing this out. The article says very little about the political context of this election and Uganda in general. From what I understand, not being an expert either but having spent quite a few months in Uganda in the last few years, Museveni has been the president since 1986 and brought a lot of stability to the country, aka brought peace after lots of conflict under Idi Amin. Some people have exp…

> might be afraid of the US, China, Russia, or other countries bringing their political influence Incidentally Uganda was previous battleground of US campaign against Huawei with reference to Wine. >Huawei technicians have been helping governments in Uganda and Zambia spy on their political opponents, a new report says https://www.businessinsider.com/huawei-workers-helped-africa... Snarky, but interest reading dissec…

Ah I didn't know about this. I appreciate you linking the articles. So it's probably a combination of US, Chinese, and local influences pushing and pulling on politics.

Makes me think just how antiquated the idea of geography-based government could be when we have instant communications with people around the world. I think national, regional, and local governments really have no idea how to deal with internet interactions that cross geographical jurisdictions.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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There is no "what if" in history, you just cannot argue from that position. There were events and there are facts about those events and participants. That's what matters and it should be investigated, tried in court and punished accordingly.

I'm confused as I didn't think I was arguing for a "what if" of history. I was just trying to say that not only are we criminally liable for the outcomes we cause but also the intentions we have and just because something doesn't have an illegal outcome doesn't mean it didn't have an illegal intention, e.g., murder vs. attempted murder.

Okay, then you are attributing an intent to harm or take hostages government officials to undetermined members of Capitol takeover gang, is that correct?

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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I'm confused as I didn't think I was arguing for a "what if" of history. I was just trying to say that not only are we criminally liable for the outcomes we cause but also the intentions we have and just because something doesn't have an illegal outcome doesn't mean it didn't have an illegal intention, e.g., murder vs. attempted murder.

Okay, then you are attributing an intent to harm or take hostages government officials to undetermined members of Capitol takeover gang, is that correct?

I'm saying I have no idea what their intentions were but that in terms of the law, intentions matter and I believe law enforcement should investigate to determine what they intended to do.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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> Where are you going to find a list of all ip addresses hosting SMTP and IMAP servers? Shodan is a readily available database of such data. Just search for all hosts with IMAP, SMTP and POP3 ports exposed and then block those. Alternatively, a DIY scan of the whole IPv4 address range can be accomplished within hours or days. IPv6 address space is harder to scan, but it's arguably safe to ban all such traffic since n…

Or even simpler. Just scan all domains for MX records... That information is not even secret, but openly advertised.

MX is not crucial for email, everything falls back to A. I have an email server with no MX in production for years now. Not the most important one, but in use.

Edited to add: there is a tiny fraction of providers that would reject the emails from such a setup, but it's really not common and does not include large providers.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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> Nevermind that 1 individual -chose- to use twitter as their primary base of operations, instead of the usual channels. Isn't this perfectly reasonable to switch to the modern Internet channels as time comes? Or should all the presidents keep transmitting in Morse code over cable telegraphs?

No, they use official government channels like White House press conferences and the like. Please don’t make bad faith arguments as if I really were suggesting Morse code instead of Twitter.

Why Twitter or something like that should not replace White House press conferences like White House press conferences (mostly seen on TV, right?) have replaced cable telegraph or whatever was used before TVs?

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Yes. And it’s beyond ridiculous when these are imported and translated literally to be used as propaganda tools in countries with very different issues. Like the European ramifications of Qanon or some versions of identity politics...

I don't know what about QAnon do you mean. It was a serious problem here. It's not even about the topic itself, it's about the comments under the posts. https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/pro-trump-anti-covi...

This sort of things, for example. I am more familiar with the UK, France, and Germany, but your example is on point.

I suspect at the beginning there is a kind of identification and a contrarian reflex (“you won’t prevent me from speaking so I will say the vilest things just to test how far you’ll bend”). But people doing that end up taking it seriously after having steeped in it for a couple of years. Still, surely they realise that the people they support don’t care a bit about them and live on the other side of the world.

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