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Post by SergeAx »

jimkleiber wrote: post #111
mc32 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ransacking through the capitol like imbeciles was very ill advised, but that’s not how a coup is executed. You need dedicated backers [cause oriented willing to sacrifice] high up in the armed forces as well as the intelligentsia. Rag tag groups do not execute coups. That’s a willful exaggeration and further evidence of how narratives tilt people’s thinking. This is the media and social media calling it that -they ca…

I think sometimes we judge events based on the outcomes not on the intent. If one of those people who got inside the building gained access to one of the members of Congress or Vice President Pence and took them hostage or harmed them, would you think that it were closer to a coup attempt? There were reports of how the National Guard seemed to be getting delayed because of not having the approval of, I believe, the P…

There is no "what if" in history, you just cannot argue from that position. There were events and there are facts about those events and participants. That's what matters and it should be investigated, tried in court and punished accordingly.

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Post by Gibbon1 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #208
tetrometal wrote: post #124

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They are obviously pointing out the hypocrisy and bias with which the left spins narratives. Here's a pointed question for you: Which was worse and by what measure, the BLM/Antifa riots of last year or the capitol building riot?

The maximum damage of those riots is a handful of people killed and businesses burned down. The maximum damage in the capital invasion is the loss of our democracy and way of life.

Have to consider some of the officers killed during the BLM protests were killed by alt-right terrorists.

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Post by trident5000 »

design-material wrote: post #200
trident5000 wrote: post #104

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I'm not really a fan. But I must say, he asked for a protest, not for them to storm the Capital. He probably wanted to stir it up, but never thought it would go that far. I have not seen any explicit tweets where he asked for that. The other thing I want to mention (in demonstrating the two standards) is that the dem leadership cheered on protests in the summer with battle like language which turned into far larger a…

If you're attempting to equate the contexts of systemic, on-going race-based manslaughter to someone fabricating a conspiracy theory (while offering no evidence, threatening other elected officials, rallying supporters, etc) then that is - purely in an academic sense - stupid.

Okay. Well I just look at the numbers/statistics. What can I say I'm a numbers guy. Can call that stupid I suppose.

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Post by michaelmrose »

tetrometal wrote: post #181
mullingitover wrote: post #135

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Show the receipts that the election was stolen before you decide to broadcast that claim to millions. Trump's legal team had the chance to do that in court dozens of times, and failed to do so every time. He took the same discredited claims to a massive crowd in the capitol, and we see the result. > You can't conveniently ignore the much worse riots that took place last summer as you try to spin your crazed narrative…

> Show the receipts that the election was stolen before you decide to broadcast that claim to millions. Again, look at Matt Braynard's work. It's compelling, and has been completely ignored. [1] The right isn't pissed because they think they know fraud happened, they're pissed because the evidence hasn't been examined. > Trump's legal team had the chance to do that in court dozens of times False. Trump's legal team b…

Again and again the lawsuits refused to even assert fraud and made procedural quibbles and asked that because of procedural differences the votes of millions of people cast in good faith to be thrown out until they got the right answer.

In the minority of cases that actually spoke to fraud in public filings or public statements they declined to prove it in court when given a venue.

It's not that they didn't get their day in court. They did and they had nothing to show or tell when the show and tell portion of our program came about.

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Post by mullingitover »

vimy wrote: post #177
mullingitover wrote: post #173

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> Then most of them just stood there, unsure what to do. They even stayed inside the velvet ropes in Statuary Hall, like a bunch of tourists. Does that sounds like an armed insurrection? It sounds like what it is: a mob, drunk on falsehoods and weaponized against the US Capitol in hopes of intimidating congress into overturning a thoroughly litigated and settled election.

Exactly, a mob drunk on falsehoods trying to intimidate representatives. Like those protests above I linked. Glad we finally agree. :)

George Floyd being murdered was real, and the overwhelmingly peaceful protests with bipartisan support were wholly justified.

A vast conspiracy at all levels of state, local, and federal government, involving shadowy corporations, Venezuela, George Soros, spanning both political parties and involving thousands of conspirators, and none of whom leaked a single detail, is a right-wing fantasy.

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Post by ad404b8a372f2b9 »

systemvoltage wrote: post #87
ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #46

I wish there would be a societal awakening in Europe and people would boycott American services. Countries need to reclaim their digital sovereignty if they hope to preserve their culture. Back in college everyone I knew browsed reddit, 9gag, facebook, etc for hours every day. The european youth is getting raised by America and fed its political ideology one meme/discussion thread at a time. It took me a long while t…

So you want to idolicize the model of China?

I feel like you're being disingenuous. Just because China does something doesn't mean it's a bad idea, it's certainly in line with their economic interests. I think Americans are very aware of what a treacherous situation you put yourself in when you depend on people ideologically opposite to yourself (e.g: oil and manufacturing).

But to be clear I'm not advocating for the Chinese model. I think each country should have their own software platforms to preserve their sovereignty and the interests of their citizens but I think they should be regulated to follow common standards to preserve the openness of the internet.

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Post by tetrometal »

design-material wrote: post #200
trident5000 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really a fan. But I must say, he asked for a protest, not for them to storm the Capital. He probably wanted to stir it up, but never thought it would go that far. I have not seen any explicit tweets where he asked for that. The other thing I want to mention (in demonstrating the two standards) is that the dem leadership cheered on protests in the summer with battle like language which turned into far larger a…

If you're attempting to equate the contexts of systemic, on-going race-based manslaughter to someone fabricating a conspiracy theory (while offering no evidence, threatening other elected officials, rallying supporters, etc) then that is - purely in an academic sense - stupid.

I would invite you to expand your perspective on the "race-based" manslaughter [1] and "conspiracy theory" [2].

[1] https://youtu.be/1C2HrbQTzwk?t=107

[2] https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/matt_braynards_...

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Post by design-material »

tetrometal wrote: post #128
lumost wrote: post #125

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Ultimately the capital police were distracted by multiple pipe bombs at the RNC/DNC headquarters, The FBI seized a van full of guns. The woman who was shot served 6 years in the DC air national guard, and directly trained on riot control in the DC metro area. This was an organized attempt to assault a joint-session of the newly elected congress discharging their duty to certify the election results for the Executive…

They did reach the floor. Some topless dude with horns and a fur cape pranced about the dais. And guess what? We're fine. You're pulling together a handful of facts from a massive event composed of trillions of facts and weaving them into a conspiracy. It was what it appeared to be. A rally that got out of hand.

So this is just a rally that got out of hand, harmless.

I wonder - would you stand up for them if the crowd was a BLM crowd, and the outcomes the same? Would you stand up for them if it were a Muslim crowd, and the outcomes the same?

If you would then that's admirable and consistent, so fair enough

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Post by lumost »

tetrometal wrote: post #185
michaelmrose wrote: post #154

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Take your fine people on both sides argument somewhere else. One side acknowledged that people had a legitimate reason to protest cops offing black people while specifically discouraging rioting. Another side told people that their country was being stolen from them and only they could stop it before telling them to go to the capital.

> Another side told people that their country was being stolen from them and only they could stop it before telling them to go to the capital. Was it or wasn't it being stolen? Do you have a debunking of Matt Braynard's argument? [1] I presume not, since one hasn't been presented, because the evidence hasn't been examined or litigated, which is why hundreds of thousands of people went to the capital. What should the…

I invested the time to read the link.

To save others the effort, it's a plea for money to support a vague voter data cross referencing effort. Unsurprisingly no evidence is put forward.

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Post by michaelmrose »

bmarquez wrote: post #95
laurent92 wrote: post #31

> foreign values Not even foreign values. Only subset of foreign values which are only shared by the Silicon Valley. Beyond that, half the US people disagree with Google/Apple/Twitter/Facebook’s non-neutral stance on politics, who weighed their full weight in censoring 50% of the political spectrum. I will not call it the pied piper because Uganda weighs nothing, but the GAFA’s politics are now visible as directly ha…

If I was the leader of a country, why would I let Silicon Valley companies potentially censor my speech? Other authoritarian leaders are likely thinking "If Twitter can deplatform the President of the United States [which has more power than my smaller country], they have the power to deplatform me. Better reduce that risk and start blocking services to maintain control." Not saying it's right, but I understand their…

It is very strange to speak of a president being "deplatformed" If somewhere out there is a nation without their own government website for the president to speak on?
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