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Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by _y5hn »

j8hn wrote: post #64
wobblyasp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private companies just want to act in their best interest. Call it what you will, no one wants to be associated with them; and as such they get removed. Amazon, Google, Facebook, et.al. owe Parler exactly nothing.

I was just pointing out that these very powerful companies, some are claimed to be monopolies are acting in unison which can be argued seems like cartel behavior.

There's a big reason they act in unison now though. They're responding to a single national security threat event and possible consequencial liabilities. So it is not a random time do be doing this. There has previously been legitimate concern about extremism, and from this event seems only to accellerate until mitigated. People should enjoy free speech, but how these platforms work, the side-effects of algos and what kinds of conversations is facilitated do matter.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by dredmorbius »

rsynnott wrote: post #50

I’m sure their benefactors will happily fork over a few million for some machines and space in a datacenter.

How many $100 millions does a good sedition + terrorism legal defence run these days?

Factor in asset seizure / forfeiture.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by LatteLazy »

randallsquared wrote: post #131
LatteLazy wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: this is a snarky comment and I should have been polite. I wasn't. I apologise. Original comment: Turns out the resources were just the price of a plane ticket to Washington...

That sure is pithy, but it doesn't make any sense unless you're suggesting that there was only one public plan for what people were going to do on the 6th, right? While I haven't looked for them, I would be very surprised if that was the case.

Yeah, sorry, pithy is me being snarky really. That was cheap of me and I apologise.

Actually that is what I'm saying. Was the average insurrectionist more planning than that in this case?

I know some bombs were found, leaving them out this seems like a mob with guns. They coordinated the date and location and just winged it from there it seems.

If someone has a complex plan, you can't be sure they'll go through with it till they've taken significant action.

If the plan is "meet in Washington on Tuesday, bring a gun so we can shoot democrats,see you there" then it seems you can arrest that plotter as soon as he has a gun and a plane ticket.

I think so many people either have public profiles or wore ID or literally spelt their name out to reporters, they can't have been actual planning, prepared criminals.

Edit:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/politics/capitol-arres...

I picked the above up, it seems like 2 people Brough zip ties to take prisoners. 2 more were in possession of firearms when arrested. That's the level of planning with these people, most of them seem to have just turned up.

I'm not at all saying that excuses their actions. Quite the opposite: it brings the bar for actual conspiracy down when the crime is simple.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by DlSGUSTING »

IdontRememberIt wrote: post #159

As the owner of a company, I am more and more afraid to be dependant on Google, Apple, Amazon, etc. because everyday on HN there is a new example proving that they can destroy your business if you are not aligned with their view, their interest or someone in their evaluation team. I use electricity, water, phone, etc. and I have never been afraid to be cut off by these companies as long as I pay the bills and respect…

There's also all those apps being removed from the Apple App Store for being critical of the CCP. Many such cases!

People act like this is just being done because people have the wrong politics, but it's a far more pervasive problem than they realise

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by candybar »

simonh wrote: post #99
skynet-9000 wrote: post #74

When several vendors drop the same customer at the same time, and there are no state attorneys general bringing legal actions (and thus no grounds to assert illegal activity), then it seems like conspiracy to destroy a business, and a likely cause of action for tortious interference and possibly a RICO violation.

You’d have to prove conspiracy, but there’s no reason to believe any of these businesses conspired with each other.

That's too generous. Even if these these businesses "conspired" to do this, that's still not a conspiracy in a legal sense, which is about an agreement to commit an actual crime. As it's not a crime to end business relationships with an entity (which btw almost certainly has been in violation of TOS), no amount of prior coordination would make this a conspiracy. It's not illegal to conspire to do something that's otherwise perfectly legal.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by dredmorbius »

skynet-9000 wrote: post #74

When several vendors drop the same customer at the same time, and there are no state attorneys general bringing legal actions (and thus no grounds to assert illegal activity), then it seems like conspiracy to destroy a business, and a likely cause of action for tortious interference and possibly a RICO violation.

Or perhaps the indictments are sealed.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by _y5hn »

someelephant wrote: post #32

The sad thing is a platform does nothing to help us find common ground and move past the chaos which has overtaken discourse. What is the solution here?

Some people need to lose some attitude and respect fellow human beings. Nobody knows everything and believing random texts online is nuts. Just stay humble and help those around you and locally.

The irony is the bad qualities they hate in others, only festers in themselves, they're unable to let go of the hate.

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Post by [deleted] »

DlSGUSTING wrote: post #164
IdontRememberIt wrote: post #159

As the owner of a company, I am more and more afraid to be dependant on Google, Apple, Amazon, etc. because everyday on HN there is a new example proving that they can destroy your business if you are not aligned with their view, their interest or someone in their evaluation team. I use electricity, water, phone, etc. and I have never been afraid to be cut off by these companies as long as I pay the bills and respect…

There's also all those apps being removed from the Apple App Store for being critical of the CCP. Many such cases! People act like this is just being done because people have the wrong politics, but it's a far more pervasive problem than they realise

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Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by _y5hn »

j8hn wrote: post #116
_y5hn wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hate speech, discriminatory speech and defamation, lots of speech is criminal. It depends on context and intent, for which misguided tolerance for bullying we're now witnessing. For especially bad cults, ie. Germany banned Nazi symbols and speech. Policy is made in a context, not just blind ideology.

What are tech companies liabilities for hosting criminal speech?

If they know of criminal conduct, they might be liable for not reporting or supporting such activities. There's also bad PR and various guilt-by association. Take a hard look what happened to the founder of Wikileaks for instance.
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