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Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by WClayFerguson »

mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #109
antris wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>BigTech has just now gone nuclear in their censorship efforts Who's being censored? Twitter, Facebook etc. are private platforms and they've been banning users who break their TOS throughout their histories.

Private entities can and do engage in censorship.

The best analogy to help low-information people understand this is to just remind them that AT&T owns the hardware and can shut down people too. Do we want powerful companies to be allowed to censor Americans at their whim is the question. I say no.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by jlkuester7 »

Multicomp wrote: post #104
jlkuester7 wrote: post #58

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Oh wow! I must have missed that somehow! Very interesting! I have been a fan of Matrix for a long time and have been very excited by all of the progress made recently! Particularly, the new UI experience for E2E encrypted channels is amazing! You managed to get solid security without sacrificing usability. Thank you for your dedication to Matrix and its community!

this is why i resist new chat apps....signal is tiding me over until p2p capable, e2e by default matrix is ready to go on desktop, android and ios...then i will be ready to use, donate, buy vector hosting, and evangelize oodles.

That seems fair. Though, personally, as long as it can federate, I am less concerned about p2p. Some very nice features are a lot harder (impossible?) to make work in a pure p2p setup whereas federation seems to give you the best of both worlds. (AKA the benefits of an always-available server without the vender lock.)

That is actually the big thing I don't like about Signal. If Open Wisper Systems decides tomorrow to turn off their server, everyones' Signal client are broke...

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by jb775 »

antris wrote: post #100
WClayFerguson wrote: post #96

I've developed a great social media system that's basically a centralized system, although I added Fediverse capability to it recently. It's here: https://quanta.wiki . I'm looking for a way to leverage Quanta's power on top of some kind of true peer-to-peer architecture to make it censorship resistant, because BigTech has just now gone nuclear in their censorship efforts. So I'm currently trying to find the right pe…

>BigTech has just now gone nuclear in their censorship efforts Who's being censored? Twitter, Facebook etc. are private platforms and they've been banning users who break their TOS throughout their histories.

If you broke the TOS of your water company, would it be acceptable for them to cut the water connection to your house?

I mean if you don't like it, you could always just go pick up your own water...or install underground pipes to a local water source.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by antris »

mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #109
antris wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>BigTech has just now gone nuclear in their censorship efforts Who's being censored? Twitter, Facebook etc. are private platforms and they've been banning users who break their TOS throughout their histories.

Private entities can and do engage in censorship.

Sure, but the parent poster seems to imply that banning people who incite violence on social media is somehow a new thing or "going nuclear" with censorship.

Trump got clapped not because of censorship, but because social media platforms decided to no longer exempt him from their TOS because of his position. Any normal person posting similar content would have been banned ages ago. Besides, he is the POTUS who can go on TV any time he wants. Thinking that he cannot get his message out there is ridiculous.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by rtkwe »

flal_ wrote: post #10

The name clash with Haskell's build tool is unfortunate...

The namespace is pretty cluttered at this point. Most posts on HN about a new app/project/library/etc have at least one "name is already taken by ...." post under them.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by antris »

jb775 wrote: post #113
antris wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>BigTech has just now gone nuclear in their censorship efforts Who's being censored? Twitter, Facebook etc. are private platforms and they've been banning users who break their TOS throughout their histories.

If you broke the TOS of your water company, would it be acceptable for them to cut the water connection to your house? I mean if you don't like it, you could always just go pick up your own water...or install underground pipes to a local water source.

Having your message broadcasted through Twitter is not a human right or essential to your survival. Also, what kind of TOS would a water company have that you can break? This example is ridiculous.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by orf »

jb775 wrote: post #113
antris wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>BigTech has just now gone nuclear in their censorship efforts Who's being censored? Twitter, Facebook etc. are private platforms and they've been banning users who break their TOS throughout their histories.

If you broke the TOS of your water company, would it be acceptable for them to cut the water connection to your house? I mean if you don't like it, you could always just go pick up your own water...or install underground pipes to a local water source.

I’m sure you can see how patently absurd comparing a provider of liquid essential to human life to... Twitter is.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by Ericson2314 »

Multicomp wrote: post #104
jlkuester7 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh wow! I must have missed that somehow! Very interesting! I have been a fan of Matrix for a long time and have been very excited by all of the progress made recently! Particularly, the new UI experience for E2E encrypted channels is amazing! You managed to get solid security without sacrificing usability. Thank you for your dedication to Matrix and its community!

this is why i resist new chat apps....signal is tiding me over until p2p capable, e2e by default matrix is ready to go on desktop, android and ios...then i will be ready to use, donate, buy vector hosting, and evangelize oodles.

I think it's basically hit all of those but p2p?

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by jv22222 »

WClayFerguson wrote: post #110
antris wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>BigTech has just now gone nuclear in their censorship efforts Who's being censored? Twitter, Facebook etc. are private platforms and they've been banning users who break their TOS throughout their histories.

I started using the term "nuclear" once Amazon Cloud Services decided to terminate the Parler web server hosting. If internet service providers can shut down speech they disagree with, by going after the servers, then we're no longer living in a democracy.

I “think” that’s a false equivalency because democracy is the government and private companies are something different.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by fishtacos »

jb775 wrote: post #113
antris wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>BigTech has just now gone nuclear in their censorship efforts Who's being censored? Twitter, Facebook etc. are private platforms and they've been banning users who break their TOS throughout their histories.

If you broke the TOS of your water company, would it be acceptable for them to cut the water connection to your house? I mean if you don't like it, you could always just go pick up your own water...or install underground pipes to a local water source.

What kind of analogy is that? Tweets vs. water?

Also, yes, you would not be provided water/electricity/cable/internet/pudding if you broke their terms of service. Apart from not paying your bill and perhaps willful destruction of their equipment, I'm having a hard time trying to come up with how else one breaks the terms of service for utility services. That sounds completely normal to me.

Additionally, people do go without certain utilities in times of economic hardship - this is nothing new. We're not guaranteed access any such services.

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