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Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by filleduchaos »

efdee wrote: post #50
Shared404 wrote: post #41

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On Pop!_OS, apt show python3-pip shows six dependencies, while apt show npm shows: nodejs (>= 6.11~), ca-certificates, node-abbrev (>= 1.1.1~), node-ajv, node-ansi, node-ansi-regex (>= 3.0~), node-ansi-styles, node-ansistyles, node-aproba, node-archy (>= 1.0~), node-are-we-there-yet, node-asap, node-asn1, node-assert-plus, node-asynckit, node-aws4, node-aws-sign2, node-balanced-match, node-bcrypt-pbkdf, node-bl, node…

What does that prove? The six dependencies are probably an order of magnitude larger than the NPM ones. If anything, lots of small dependencies is more Unix-y than one big dependency.

> If anything, lots of small dependencies is more Unix-y than one big dependency.

Of course, as evidenced by much-used programs such as curl and git having 400 dependencies each and OpenSSL being shipped as separate libraries for every single crypto function.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by EGreg »

oehtXRwMkIs wrote: post #63
jhardy54 wrote: post #62

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MAGA folks looking for platforms for their "free speech".

I was thinking WhatsApp but maybe you're right

Okay I’ll bite

Just posted our free open source platform we were working on for 10 years:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25717417

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by throwaway80332 »

dangus wrote: post #27
bastard_op wrote: post #6

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My thoughts exactly, the Donald Chumps will take this up. Good news: Massive influx of users. Bad news: It's all American Fascists looking to hold hands. Saving grace is most are probably too stupid to read hacker news.

> Saving grace is most are probably too stupid to read hacker news. I wouldn’t make this assumption. I have seen plenty of modern conservative opinion around here, and some of it really does align with ideas of white male supremacy and support for fascist authoritarian leadership. It’s easier to find on “new” on posts that aren’t strictly technology related. They are definitely here. Of course, people are entitled to…

The thing that I find most terrifying about Trump is that he persued every legal option to win, and when that didn't work out he conceded and said he's going to help make sure there's a smooth transition of power.

He is truly the most vile authoritarian anywhere outside of the 1930s Germany, and that's not just because he makes jokes.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

efdee wrote: post #54
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #39

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I don't brush aside Node programs just because they're Node. I brush them aside because they usually drag in a few MB of dependencies, and melt my (mid-level) computer with compilation (often OOM-killing everything else I'm doing on the machine, before dying to the OOM-killer itself) – but for all that, I then need to keep the entire thing on my hard drive because the compilation was mere caching, and hasn't given me…

Melt your computer with compilation? A Node program? More to the point, did you audit Tensorflow? If no, then what's your point to begin with? If yes, what made you conclude that auditing Tensorflow is doable, but usually simple NPM modules are "un-auditable"?

I didn't audit Tensorflow. But I don't install Tensorflow programs, anyway, because I don't have the resources.

The point isn't auditing, though; it's auditability. If it's auditable, then somebody's probably done it – but if it's not, you can't rely on just a spot check of a few dice-picked dependencies.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by oehtXRwMkIs »

EGreg wrote: post #64
oehtXRwMkIs wrote: post #63

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I was thinking WhatsApp but maybe you're right

Okay I’ll bite Just posted our free open source platform we were working on for 10 years: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25717417

Sorry man not interested in non-federated solutions.
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