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Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by marcinzm »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #194
marcinzm wrote: post #56

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The issue is that then a lot of very toxic people will go to that platform and there will be a lot of very toxic content. Then all the people who aren't toxic will leave the platform because they don't want to be subjected to that content. Then advertisers will leave because they don't want their brands associated with that content. Then app stores will drop the app because they don't want their brands associated wit…

As the Gab/Mastodon situation has shown, this is not guaranteed to happen.

In what way? Gab was banned on most app stores as I understand it. Gab seems to be user financed which has historically paid out less than advertising. Mastodon basically blacklisted them everywhere it could (clients, instances, etc.) so they're not really part of the fediverse. Gab is for all intent and purposes not part of the Mastodon platform because Mastodon knew what would happen if it was.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by pjmlp »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #149
tastyfreeze wrote: post #116

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Most content creators need to be compensated to continue making content. Advertising isn't the only solution but it does allow viewers to watch without paying. PeerTube needs content creators to get on board. Having options for monetizing content could encourage creators to use PeerTube.

> Most content creators need to be compensated to continue making content. That's the problem right there. "Content creators". Protein factories churning out videos for money. Not every platform needs "content creators" - sometimes people with interesting things to share are enough, and these tend to use side revenue to fund their sharing.

The problem with side revenue is that is usually only available to people with already a good position in the society.

Others mostly need to match their hobbies with a side job.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by BlueTemplar »

M2Ys4U wrote: post #202
BlueTemplar wrote: post #176

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Yeah, though as we can see from experience of Gab being the biggest Mastodon instance and Mastodon not having collapsed, it's possible to have an alternative without it necessarily becoming a "witch town".

I'd take the claim that Gab was "the biggest Mastodon instance" with a pinch of salt, to be honest. Plus, they were immediately and almost universally banned by other instances in the fediverse

Yes, while technically true, it's only due to the way that they arrived vs the way the rest of the Mastodon federation grew.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by BlueTemplar »

marcinzm wrote: post #211
BlueTemplar wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the Gab/Mastodon situation has shown, this is not guaranteed to happen.

In what way? Gab was banned on most app stores as I understand it. Gab seems to be user financed which has historically paid out less than advertising. Mastodon basically blacklisted them everywhere it could (clients, instances, etc.) so they're not really part of the fediverse. Gab is for all intent and purposes not part of the Mastodon platform because Mastodon knew what would happen if it was.

Gab was indeed blacklisted in many (though not all?) Mastodon apps.

My point is that, since Gab "joined" Mastodon, nothing of what you have predicted happened to Mastodon. My hope is that the same things will (not) happen to Peertube, for the same reasons.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

RMPR wrote: post #122
jamesrcole wrote: post #84

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> The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. I'm in favour of it, and hope it does well. But at the same time, constant growth itself doesn't mean that much. There's a big difference between slow constant growth and explosive constant growth. Something can constantly grow yet still remain something most people have never heard of. I think Linux on the desktop is a reasonable example of this. The altern…

> there has to be some reason why people use it instead of YouTube. I had non-technical people in my family asking me Youtube alternatives because they were afraid of censorship. I think the reasons are already there[0] but there are no "peertube marketing department" taking care of conversion. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_suspensions

That has me concerned that nutjob right wing conspiracy theorists are going to flock to PeerTube just as they did voat and parler. So long as they maintain their own stuff which is what I understand as to how this all works, thats fine. I just wouldn't want their stuff to pop up in other instances so that they're filtered out by default.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by BlueTemplar »

LockAndLol wrote: post #179
BlueTemplar wrote: post #169

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Patreon has its own issues. I wished it would be less dominant in the English-speaking donation 'market'. I was hoping that Flattr would be able to provide a Chromium-free, 'Brave-like' experience, especially with their browser plugin, but if anything it has been losing popularity (despite being years older than Patreon!). For a reason that escapes me, they even recently decided to officially remove their plugin, so…

Same. I was also hoping to find something that doesn't require me to have a credit card, only accepts USD, and *has* to go through a third party. Flattr uses credit cards exclusively, Liberapay only uses Stripe, Patreon a host of third parties but no direct transfers, and I have checked out the rest. Why can't I just transfer the amount I want, when I want, directly to another bank without an intermediary? I'm fine w…

Well, transferring money worldwide is pretty hard – cryptocurrencies wouldn't have had the same popularity if it wasn't.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by rewq4321 »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #176
pjc50 wrote: post #170

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> lot of the suggested instances are filled with stolen content, porn, or just very wtf videos. The service that competes with youtube but is less convenient will necessarily be full of content banned from youtube.

Yeah, though as we can see from experience of Gab being the biggest Mastodon instance and Mastodon not having collapsed, it's possible to have an alternative without it necessarily becoming a "witch town".

Gab left the fediverse quite a while ago now:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/ie49qp/is_gab_sti...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/ie49qp/is_gab_sti...

I don't think they ever really cared about decentralisation/federation. Seems they just wanted a nice codebase to work from.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by marcinzm »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #214
marcinzm wrote: post #211

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In what way? Gab was banned on most app stores as I understand it. Gab seems to be user financed which has historically paid out less than advertising. Mastodon basically blacklisted them everywhere it could (clients, instances, etc.) so they're not really part of the fediverse. Gab is for all intent and purposes not part of the Mastodon platform because Mastodon knew what would happen if it was.

Gab was indeed blacklisted in many (though not all?) Mastodon apps. My point is that, since Gab "joined" Mastodon, nothing of what you have predicted happened to Mastodon. My hope is that the same things will (not) happen to Peertube, for the same reasons.

Except the point I responded to talked about marketing and a huge user increase. Mastodon hasn't gained marketing or users, Gab did. They use the same code mostly but are separate platforms for all intent and purposes. You can't have your candy and eat it too.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by rewq4321 »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #213
M2Ys4U wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd take the claim that Gab was "the biggest Mastodon instance" with a pinch of salt, to be honest. Plus, they were immediately and almost universally banned by other instances in the fediverse

Yes, while technically true, it's only due to the way that they arrived vs the way the rest of the Mastodon federation grew.

Gab broke/removed the code for federation several months ago, so they're no longer part of the fediverse. See my reply to your GP for more details.
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