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Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by judge2020 »

qwantim1 wrote: post #44
roenxi wrote: post #37

I like PeerTube, but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network. What makes YouTube special is that Google takes care of the advertising side of things and makes it easy for people to monetise. If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.

I don’t agree. It’s an important thing, not the important thing. This is a great alternative to sharing large video files with others by having someone else just watch what they want of it, if you want to ensure it’s more permanent than- let’s say- Google Music. If the fear is that an evil Google competitor will come along that will do more damage- this wouldn’t enable that. That would take a serious amount of fundin…

That's kind of an issue then - YouTube is only partly (probably a single-digit-percent given they dropped the direct share feature[0]) about sharing videos with friends - most people stick around for the recommendations, ie. the endless stream of interesting/intriguing/funny content. Most of that content currently dominating YT (at least, at the quantity that it's produced) is only possible due to these creators making YouTube their full-time job and getting paid to do it. Linus Tech Tips (which also runs Techquickie and Techlinked) attributes 26% of their total revenue to YT Ads[1], and the other categories (like merchandise/affiliate links) aren't something everyone can do if their videos aren't about products available on Amazon or can't grow their merch at the rate LTT does. If PT is just about sharing videos, then you might as well run a nextcloud instance instead since 'no ads' is a huge downside to PT for creators.

0: https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/21/youtube-is-closing-its-pri...

1: https://youtu.be/-zt57TWkTF4?t=395

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by tedunangst »

roenxi wrote: post #37

I like PeerTube, but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network. What makes YouTube special is that Google takes care of the advertising side of things and makes it easy for people to monetise. If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.

The only web advertising I ever see is from Daring Fireball precisely because it doesn't come from an ad network.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by tamrix »

roenxi wrote: post #37

I like PeerTube, but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network. What makes YouTube special is that Google takes care of the advertising side of things and makes it easy for people to monetise. If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.

Do people forget that for many years since the founding of YouTube, YouTube didn't have any video ads?

The better question is, was not having ads on the YouTube platform a deliberate choice to help grow adoption over its competitors which would have had to have ads to run (at the time) the expensive servers?

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by marcinzm »

roenxi wrote: post #37

I like PeerTube, but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network. What makes YouTube special is that Google takes care of the advertising side of things and makes it easy for people to monetise. If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.

>If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.

YouTube started moderating it's content more because advertisers asked for it. No large advertiser wants to be shown next to a neo-nazi video.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by posguy »

hug wrote: post #45
SubiculumCode wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

umm email. Umm, press releases. jeez

CampaignMonitor, the service the Trump organisation used for its mail services, has suspended Trump's access. https://twitter.com/DaveLeeFT/status/1347724204473372672 Press releases rely on press organisations to distribute, which aren't under Trump's control, unlike his previous social media accounts, which had a reach of millions by themselves. I am not trying to impute any kind of values onto these facts. They're…

Nothing stops the Trump org from doing what InfoWarz does and sign up with Akamai and Lumen/Centurylink/Level 3 for their server hosting and CDN.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by marcinzm »

tasogare wrote: post #10
Vaslo wrote: post #4

This seems extremely relevant given everything going on. Do we have to worry about the same deplatforming and data tracking as we see on other media sites? Asking because I just don’t know - I don’t want to hop over just to have the same problems.

Onboarding that guy on any alternative platform would be a huge marketing coverage and grow in userbase for the said platform. I wonder if a company will try to play this card.

The issue is that then a lot of very toxic people will go to that platform and there will be a lot of very toxic content. Then all the people who aren't toxic will leave the platform because they don't want to be subjected to that content. Then advertisers will leave because they don't want their brands associated with that content. Then app stores will drop the app because they don't want their brands associated with that content. Then the platform essentially dies or stagnates.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by lotsofpulp »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #26
hug wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just in case this is a serious question, without editorialising, the following has happened in the past 48 hours: * Trump has been bannned from Twitter. * Trump has attempted to use the POTUS account, and had those tweets removed. * Trump has been removed from Facebook. * Trump has been banned from Twitch. * The Discord server for the_donald has been banned from Discord. * Parler has been removed from the Google Play…

> For those who support Trump, "deplatforming" is a major concern, as Trump has now lost access to essentially all of his base via social media. There are also a lot of people who are concerned about the dangerous precedent being set, regardless of whether they support this individual or not.

The payment networks have been banning risky clients for many decades. Many other businesses do the same, so I don’t think this is any new precedent.

And it’s trivial for someone kicked off of the big social media networks to make there own website and post whatever they want.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by wilsynet »

roenxi wrote: post #37

I like PeerTube, but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network. What makes YouTube special is that Google takes care of the advertising side of things and makes it easy for people to monetise. If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.

Is it ideological activism to enforce the terms of service which prohibit the incitement of violence?

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by nmfisher »

posguy wrote: post #55
hug wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CampaignMonitor, the service the Trump organisation used for its mail services, has suspended Trump's access. https://twitter.com/DaveLeeFT/status/1347724204473372672 Press releases rely on press organisations to distribute, which aren't under Trump's control, unlike his previous social media accounts, which had a reach of millions by themselves. I am not trying to impute any kind of values onto these facts. They're…

Nothing stops the Trump org from doing what InfoWarz does and sign up with Akamai and Lumen/Centurylink/Level 3 for their server hosting and CDN.

Until they ban them too.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by riffic »

You can't put the ActivityPub ecosystem back inside its bottle. While it seems like (this is a commonly heard complaint) "no one is there", this is simply untrue. The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing.

in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point, but it doesn't need to happen immediately. It would be nice to see more media establish a presence there though.

edit: one of my favorite PeerTube instances is https://tilvids.com -- an edutainment video community.

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