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Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #26
DeepYogurt wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how critics of #defundthepolice willing ignore that it has always meant #reappropriatefundsfromthepolicetosocialservicesbetterabletohandlenonviolentissues

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol... > Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police It’s not some unjustified fearmongering. Anarchists literally took over part of Seattle. At my university, protestors are demanding to completely dismantle the campus police: https://www.wbez.org/stories/northwesterns-president-and-stu...

You're right. And yet, weirdly, it's the people who flew the Thin Blue Line flag who beat a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher. (If this reads like snark, I don't mean it that way; I'm interested in what you think about that observation.)

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by LASR »

flycaliguy wrote: post #20
optimalsolver wrote: post #4

My favorite of these guys was West Virginia state legislator Derrick Evans: >The video shows a crowd surging through a Capitol door, past security, while an alarm repeatedly blares. As Evans enters an area called National Statuary Hall he celebrates and states his own name: “We’re in! We’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!” https://wvmetronews.com/2021/01/09/derrick-evans-resigns-w-v...

I don’t think these people had or have any interest in being anonymous. They are standing up for what they believe in. A public display is an important part of this all, it’s part of their statement as Americans in America.

Do they truly know what they believe in and consequences of what they are actually doing?

Evans, IIRC immediately deleted his video where he id'ed himself. It was too late, but he tried. It indicates to me there is at least some level of realization and regret.

Honestly, looking at the interviews, it seemed to me that they simply were following the instructions of the person they revere with no thought about the 20 year jail term they might face.

Honestly, even myself looking at Trump's call to his base, didn't think too much of it first. This is a prime example of normalization of deviance.

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by bendbro »

thatcat wrote: post #129
bendbro wrote: post #97

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Words have power [1]. The power to help and the power to harm. And in the age of social media, that power is magnified more than ever before [2]. So while the intent of the comment may have been to improve our shared world, that doesn't give a warrant to do more harm. We all need to chip in to ensure our words are precise and devoid of language that might upset, frighten, or harm others in our community. And one more…

If you believe a word is causing harm and are asking people not to use it, you should at least articulate the kind of harm you're talking about, who is being harmed, and maybe suggest some alternative wording.

Explaining exactly how something like t*rr*r causes people harm is a form of victim blaming. It isn't the requirement of harmed peoples to explain how they are harmed, it is our responsibility to listen, believe, and change our harmful behavior.

Is it really so hard to just use a different word? Or is your conservative view on language more important than people's wellbeing?

That said, an alternative word suggested by experts is "anti-social political action."

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by dang »

mmastrac wrote: post #7

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Matt can you please stop using HN for political battle? You've been a fabulous contributor and we love you. But this stuff is not what the site is for, and I'm dismayed to see you're doing it repeatedly these days. I get that present events are activating, but it doesn't change the purpose of HN, and I'm working overtime trying to prevent it burning to the ground—which is all too likely along the current path.

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by _y5hn »

sol_invictus wrote: post #109
_y5hn wrote: post #103

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So, help the multibillionaires, then?

No? It means that if you support CHAZ/CHOP and condemn the Capitol events then youre a partisan hack. Either you want peace and prosperity or you don’t. You can’t cherry-pick your stance towards law based on who’s breaking it. There’s nothing hard to understand about it, but then again people love to play dumb in questions like these. I don’t understand it to be honest.

This is just too generic a complaint.

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by thatcat »

bendbro wrote: post #133
thatcat wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you believe a word is causing harm and are asking people not to use it, you should at least articulate the kind of harm you're talking about, who is being harmed, and maybe suggest some alternative wording.

Explaining exactly how something like t*rr*r causes people harm is a form of victim blaming. It isn't the requirement of harmed peoples to explain how they are harmed, it is our responsibility to listen, believe, and change our harmful behavior. Is it really so hard to just use a different word? Or is your conservative view on language more important than people's wellbeing? That said, an alternative word suggested b…

To be clear we're talking about the word not the act - asking is not victim blaming, it's asking for clarity as to what you're talking about.

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by Nursie »

_y5hn wrote: post #101
Nursie wrote: post #75

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He said "March to the capital". He didn't instruct them to invade. But he did - Spend two months riling them with his grievance fantasies Call all patriots to gather for a rally Spend 70 minutes telling them their votes had been stolen and they needed to FIGHT! Tell them to march to the capitol. It's a very fine line, and the outcome very predictable, even if he didn't explicitly tell them to invade it.

He instructed them to cheer on the delegates, and not be too nice to Pence.

But he also filled them with grievances and told them they had to fight.

His words stop just short of directly ordering what happened, but you'd have to be an idiot not to see it coming. His tweets during the event also made it clear he was perfectly happy with what was going on.

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by sol_invictus »

_y5hn wrote: post #135
sol_invictus wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No? It means that if you support CHAZ/CHOP and condemn the Capitol events then youre a partisan hack. Either you want peace and prosperity or you don’t. You can’t cherry-pick your stance towards law based on who’s breaking it. There’s nothing hard to understand about it, but then again people love to play dumb in questions like these. I don’t understand it to be honest.

This is just too generic a complaint.

When you have no arguments, divert.

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by mercer »

ineedasername wrote: post #36
flycaliguy wrote: post #20

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I don’t think these people had or have any interest in being anonymous. They are standing up for what they believe in. A public display is an important part of this all, it’s part of their statement as Americans in America.

Counterproductive regardless. Peaceful non-destructive protests have achieved a lot more social change in modern history than violent and/or destructive methods.

How do you define non-destructive? It's possible to do peaceful protest that are nonetheless economically destructive.

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Post by Nursie »

projct wrote: post #108
function_seven wrote: post #76

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Is that the video where it appears she's rubbing an onion into her eye? Anyway, for another example of "they also didn't seem to understand it was serious," the quote from the feet-up-on-the-desk guy: > "I'll probably be telling them this is what happened all the way to the D.C. jail," Mr. Barnett said. He's glib about it the same way you might be about spending a night in the drunk tank after getting a little too cr…

I have no interest in defending this woman. However, it appears that onions are a home remedy for being tear gassed or experiencing other chemical irritants. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elizabeth-knoxville-onion-...

Oh that's interesting, and presumably means that someone went to the effort of bringing them along in preparation.
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