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Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by rhino369 »

Nursie wrote: post #42
flycaliguy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think these people had or have any interest in being anonymous. They are standing up for what they believe in. A public display is an important part of this all, it’s part of their statement as Americans in America.

They don't seem to think what they did was wrong - but they also didn't seem to understand it was serious. There is a youtube video of a young woman expressing her utter shock and dismay at being maced as she literally tried to storm congress and disrupt the national democratic process. It is amazing to watch, just for how weirdly naive and entitled she is while right up saying they were trying for a revolution. What…

To be fair, rioters and protestors (left and right) have stormed several state legislatures, federal builds, and razed many buildings this past year, with a lot of the country saying it was justified.

People are more shocked about the *reason* they stormed the Capitol than the violence. If women in pink hats stormed the Capitol during the Kavanaugh confirmation vote (well they did, but not in enough numbers to overwhelm security), the parties would be having polar opposite reactions. GOP saying it was a coup and democrats saying it was justified outrage.

These people don't realize they were pawns in Trump's bad faith attempt to steal the election. They believe they are doing the right thing. *That doesn't justify their actions, but it explains their actions.*

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Post by dang »

kthxbye123 wrote: post #50
jp57 wrote: post #40

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If they had burned the Capitol to the ground with everyone in it, Greenwald would be concerned about the authoritarian harms of the response.

To his mind, the greatest possible evil is that someone, somewhere, might be held accountable for their actions.

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Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by TeaDrunk »

zepto wrote: post #120
TeaDrunk wrote: post #117

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The second hashtag in question says: 'reappropriatefundsfromthepolicetosocialservicesbetterabletohandlenonviolentissues' which is about what Colin is literally saying in that quote.

No. He is not just talking about reappropriating funds. He is saying the police must be completely abolished. The quote begins “By abolishing policing and prisons...” You seem to have overlooked this somehow. The name he has chosen for his project is: “Abolition for the People, The Movement for a Future Without Policing & Prisons” It couldn’t be any clearer.

Yes, by abolishing policing, you can reappropriate those funds for other projects. This is literally what he's saying. It is literally reappropriating the funds.

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

ineedasername wrote: post #114
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #88

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Are you familiar with the capitol bombing, Bill Ayers, weather underground, and Obama launching his political career from Ayer’s house? Ayers being famous for admitting he doesn’t regret setting the bomb. Instead of being labeled a terrorist, he was made a professor and launched a lot of the social justice movement in education. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-... https://thehill.com/blogs…

I don't think you're refuting me by bringing up a domestic terrorist that accomplished no positive social change through their violent acts. It's a far stretch to even imply the highly limited interactions between Ayers and Obama were in some way responsible for his rise to the presidency or that Ayers in any way influenced Obama to regard violence as the correct path for social change. In fact, considering the ridic…

> I don't think you're refuting me

I wasn’t trying to refute your point. Only offering a recent historical perspective where an actual terrorist organization was considered as... not that. Where the perspective is set by who is in charge.

>It's a far stretch to even imply the highly limited interactions between Ayers and Obama were in some way responsible for his rise to the presidency

I also didn’t imply that at all.

Perhaps you are just too used to arguing with people on the internet?

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by zepto »

TeaDrunk wrote: post #123
zepto wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. He is not just talking about reappropriating funds. He is saying the police must be completely abolished. The quote begins “By abolishing policing and prisons...” You seem to have overlooked this somehow. The name he has chosen for his project is: “Abolition for the People, The Movement for a Future Without Policing & Prisons” It couldn’t be any clearer.

Yes, by abolishing policing, you can reappropriate those funds for other projects. This is literally what he's saying. It is literally reappropriating the funds.

No.

Reappropriating funds does not mean abolishing the police.

You can reappropriate funds without abolishing the police, for example by reducing their duties.

He is saying both abolish the police and reappropriate the funds.

They are plainly not literally the same thing.

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by ogre_codes »

Justin_K wrote: post #46
ogre_codes wrote: post #14

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Why is that surprising when so many of these videos show cops not doing their job in a very critical moment. Tons of evidence here against the police.

Haven't the police been ordered to stand down in these situations?

No, the police haven't been told to "stand down" and take selfies when defending the nations capitol or congress.

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #122
kthxbye123 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To his mind, the greatest possible evil is that someone, somewhere, might be held accountable for their actions.

It looks like your account has been using the site primarily for political and ideological battle. That's the line at which we ban accounts (see [1] for more explanation), regardless of which politics or ideology they're battling for. We have to, because it destroys what HN is supposed to exist for, which is curious conversation, not smiting enemies. I've therefore banned your account. If you don't want to be banned,…

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Post by thatcat »

bendbro wrote: post #97
TheGeminon wrote: post #80

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So you downvoted it because the word terror might upset other people? This is a post about an attack that killed at least 5 people.

Words have power [1]. The power to help and the power to harm. And in the age of social media, that power is magnified more than ever before [2]. So while the intent of the comment may have been to improve our shared world, that doesn't give a warrant to do more harm. We all need to chip in to ensure our words are precise and devoid of language that might upset, frighten, or harm others in our community. And one more…

If you believe a word is causing harm and are asking people not to use it, you should at least articulate the kind of harm you're talking about, who is being harmed, and maybe suggest some alternative wording.
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