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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 7:20 AM UTC

perl4ever wrote: post #946

neogodless wrote: post #257

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From my perspective, every article on Reuters included the phrase "claimed without evidence" in regards to election fraud. For me, trusting Reuters, that is sufficient information. From a believer's perspective, articles mentioned affidavits, eye-witness testimony, court cases being filed, and important, trusted people saying something along the lines of "there is evidence the courts are not even considering!" Presum…

I really don't trust Reuters, CNN, the NY Times, or whoever. I think people exaggerate and misidentify the source of their beliefs, but being honest about why you take a side is a better way to convince. What I trust is that if Trump had serious allegations with evidence, that Republican election officials in Georgia would treat them seriously rather than debunking them in the midst of death threats. Or that some Rep…

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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by newscracker » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 7:50 AM UTC

At some point, this is soon going to backfire a lot and get a lot more harmful and uglier (for the people and the country). I’m kinda tired of every platform suddenly having the courage to do something while some of these platforms should’ve done a whole lot more over the years before the elections.

All these actions also seem to further fuel the beliefs that all the people who (partially or fully) supported Trump are being suppressed and beaten down by conspirators on the other side.

I don’t know the answers, but collectively humans of the last couple of decades have not figured out how to deal with misinformation in the Internet age. I wonder what the results of any trials have been. Shorter memory recall makes it seem like polarization has increased and gotten more violent.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by boruto » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 10:02 AM UTC

gruez wrote: post #456

eznzt wrote: post #296

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What is wrong with /r/sino?

Have you visited it? It's basically a pro-china circlejerk subreddit.

So a pro china circlejerk has to be banned?

Do you have any other wrongthink which should be banned?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by thatsnotmepls » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 11:21 AM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #552

zionic wrote: post #357

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-Don't like it? Make your own subreddit/group/discord! X -Don't like it? Make your own image host! X -Don't like it? Make your own social media! X -Don't like it? Make your own aggregator! X -Don't like it? Make your own cloudfare/hosting provider (you are here) -Don't like it? Make your own ISP! -Don't like it? Make your own banking/payment infrastructure! Edit: TIL HN doesn't support emoji

I feel like 2-4 are all on the same level? Make your own group: valid Make your own site: valid Make your own hosting provider: this one is tricky Make your own ISP: shouldn't be needed Make your own payment infrastructure: shouldn't be needed

Sure, making your own social media and inviting your friends to use it is gonna work out well bud, sure.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by srveale » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 4:29 PM UTC

ksk wrote: post #906

srveale wrote: post #856

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> are you seriously claiming Trump won because of Russia? That Russia helped Trump is generally agreed upon. Was it the only factor in his win? Of course not. But your whataboutism here doesn't hold water. Sure, there are subreddits that commonly exaggerated the truth about the Russia thing. Should they should get banned, since r/donaldtrump got banned for supporting violence? The two issues are so very different. I…

>That Russia helped Trump is generally agreed upon. It is only agreed upon when you don't talk to people outside of your own echo chamber. In 2016, people were just shocked that so many people could vote for a loathsome person like Trump. Dems were unhappy and looked for someone to blame, except themselves for running such a weak candidate. 2020 was just as fair an election, and Trump got even more votes than 2016. >…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20...

You're telling me this whole entire article is fake?

> What is the standard? https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by throwaway316943 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

watwut wrote: post #546

throwaway316943 wrote: post #417

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Look at history, it’s just one damn tragedy after another and all without the supposedly super powerful influence of internet filter bubbles and radicalization. The internet isn’t the problem, this is just what humans do. Every age has blamed their problems on the latest technology while being willfully blind to the problems within their own minds. You can’t fight this with censorship or gatekeeping or trusted news s…

But those tragedies happened after series of radicalisations, pretty often after groups intentionally spread lies and hate, when people closed themselvea into bubbles and so on. Pretty often the new technology was the vector by which those came, simply because bad actors seem to be quicker to take advantage of new technology. Also historically, censorship and gatekewping were overall succesfull strategies. I am not s…

They’re successful only because they are accompanied by physical violence. If we go down this path again prepare for a repeat of history at the hands of those you give this power to, it’ll probably take a few hundred mega deaths before we learn our lesson again.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by coldtea » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

onethought wrote: post #437

coldtea wrote: post #349

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So like several months of looting and burning in various cities like Portland?

Yes. People who break the law should be prosecuted, else you weaken the law. But, burning and looting is in a different category to the Capitol stuff, I think.

Is it? To me it's the same kind or even more symbolic - it just annoys people that it was the "wrong" thinking masses to do it.

If it was done for some other cause, there would be no end of celebratory articles on the same outlets that now condemn it...

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by coldtea » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 4:49 PM UTC

scythe wrote: post #572

coldtea wrote: post #349

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So like several months of looting and burning in various cities like Portland?

It is wrong to say that there was "burning" for "several months", unless you're referring to the forest fires. A few buildings were burned down in isolated incidents during several months of protests across multiple cities. Looting is not well-documented but my friends in Portland didn't seem very concerned. The vast majority of participants in the protests following the Floyd murder did not take part in any violence…

>It is wrong to say that there was "burning" for "several months", unless you're referring to the forest fires. A few buildings were burned down in isolated incidents during several months of protests across multiple cities.

That's neither here nor there. I didn't say "burning for months" (e.g. the same fires keep burning for months), I said "burning and looting for months", that is incidents of burnings and lootings occuring for months. There have been dozens, if not hundreds, and have lasted (not each individual, the case of them popping has lasted) for months...

>The vast majority of participants in the protests following the Floyd murder did not take part in any violence. It is all but certain that the fraction who did is much smaller than the fraction of 1/6/21 protestors who illegally entered the Capitol.

That's not certain at all. The videos show a totally different story.

>Looting is not well-documented but my friends in Portland didn't seem very concerned.

Many of those in favor aren't, especially if they live outside of the affected radius.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by dominotw » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

stjohnswarts wrote: post #961

dominotw wrote: post #852

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shouldn't the onus of proving that there was no fraud be on the govt, instead of the other way around. In an ideal world is there way to prove definitively that there was no fraud? Or is this something unprovable.

It's impossible to prove there was no fraud, however if there was fraud it's extremely likely someone would be able to find it, so the lack of evidence is reasonable enough test of the election's validity. Otherwise there can be no democracy other than direct public democracy.

> It's impossible to prove there was no fraud

Why though. What makes this an unique problem.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by onethought » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 8:15 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #987

onethought wrote: post #437

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Yes. People who break the law should be prosecuted, else you weaken the law. But, burning and looting is in a different category to the Capitol stuff, I think.

Is it? To me it's the same kind or even more symbolic - it just annoys people that it was the "wrong" thinking masses to do it. If it was done for some other cause, there would be no end of celebratory articles on the same outlets that now condemn it...

Given the seditious aspect to it off directly attacking a body of government. It seems different under US law compared with arson/vandalism that has most characterised the protests around US cities.

I think it would be condemned equally no matter who tried it. It’s the beginning of an end game scenario of democracy... so it makes sense it is viewed so harshly