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Post by elefanten »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #285
Traster wrote: post #51

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I think it's impossible to say. The fact that the capitol got stormed the same day as the democrats won control means it's impossible to disaggregate. It might be a cynical move by Facebook but is it also a cynical move by Betsy Devos? What difference did democrat control make to her?

The fact the capital got stormed has more to do with the Trumpist sympathize of the Police, then the protesters themselves. If the were a "normal" police reaction (say midway between BLM and this, like in Hong Kong), they would have never gotten inside, and this would be a non-story. Going after Trump fans is just center-left back-slapping, and all the worse because ignoring the police partisanship is extremely reckl…

The evidence more supports the thesis that security was underprepared and blundered into this outcome rather than a conspiracy to allow it.

Have you not seen the videos of officers swarmed and overwhelmed, being attacked and beaten?

Are you saying the police pulled a "false flag" on themselves? Seems like a Trumpist argument.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by dragontamer »

s3r3nity wrote: post #310
dragontamer wrote: post #260

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"Censorship" seems to work pretty well around here in HackerNews. When someone's opinion becomes violent or unhelpful, the mods around here will delete their post, curtailing discussion and making this area more reasonable for overall discourse to move forward. There are unreasonable opinions and unreasonable people out there. The only possible weapon online groups have to combat unreasonable people in a discussion f…

Successes to an ends for censorship doesn't make it any more ethical. China is a pretty strong economy right now - that doesn't make the CCP's aggressive forms of censorship any more just or ethical.

Just because you don't like censorship doesn't make its use less ethical.

Censoring porn and spam from /r/HackerNews is not only effective, its ethical. Its the only way effective discourse can take place on this website.

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Lets turn this around. What's YOUR solution to porn and spam on discussion sites? Do you want that sort of stuff to just overrun this webiste?

You're talking in one of the most heavily moderated websites on the internet right now. Discussion is supposed to lean towards technical talk alone.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by allsystemsgo »

vmchale wrote: post #237
slg wrote: post #13

The cynic in me can't help but notice that all these platforms are suddenly growing a backbone now that we know Democrats will control both the executive and legislative branches.

I think everyone's just tired of his shit.

Everyone? Tens of millions voted for him. It was a close race.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Supermancho »

sixothree wrote: post #58
Exuma wrote: post #14

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Please cite me tweets/descriptions of where he incited anything. He said something like "we will remember this day," and not long after condemned violence and supported law enforcement. Then the next day he condemned it again.

He literally gave an hour long speech minutes before they attacked our nation's capitol.

Not sure what THAT video is "showing", but let's look at the actual speech...

You can see/hear/read (via transcript) starting about here: https://youtu.be/ht20eDYmLXU?t=10186

Romney, American Elections, Press "enemy of the people", American 3rd world country, Republicans Fighting/Boxing, Fight Bad People, Pence and Constitution, Congress addressing assault on country, Walk down to Capitol with me, Show strength and be strong, Demand congress do the right thing lawfully, March over peacefully and patriotically make voices heard, Integrity of elections and country, Country under siege, blah blah

Get up to the final incite: https://youtu.be/ht20eDYmLXU?t=13513

and it's had a tremendous impact that we got rid of catch and release we got rid of all of the stuff that we had to live with but now the caravans they think biden's getting in the caravans are forming again they want to come in again and rip off our country can't let it happen as this enormous crowd shows we have truth and justice on our side we have a deep and enduring love for america in our hearts we love our country we have overwhelming pride in this great country and we have it deep in our souls together we are determined to defend and preserve government of the people by the people and for the people our brightest days are before us our greatest achievements still wait i think one of our great achievements will be election security because nobody until i came along had any idea how corrupt our elections were and again most people would stand there at nine o'clock in the evening and say i want to thank you very much and they go off to some other life but i said something's wrong here something's really wrong can't have happened and we fight we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell you're not gonna have a country anymore our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun my fellow americans for our movement for our children and for our beloved country and i say this despite all that's happened the best is yet to come so we're going to we're going to walk down pennsylvania avenue i love pennsylvania and we're going to the capitol and we're going to try and give the democrats are hopeless they're never voting for anything not even one vote but we're going to try and give our republicans the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help we're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country so let's walk down pennsylvania avenue i want to thank you all god bless you and god bless america thank you all for being here this is incredible thank you very much

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Post by gfodor »

ekidd wrote: post #312
gfodor wrote: post #115

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Yes and it's always been contentious, and as the Internet integrates itself more and more into our lives, the questions about which layers of the network stack ought to follow which principles are worth continually focusing on.

I've been on the Internet since 1994, and it has always been the case that if you made a sufficiently odious pest of yourself over a long enough period of time, that someone would contact your university, employer or ISP, and you would lose your account, or at least your access to Usenet. You were always perfectly free to go find a new account elsewhere if anyone would have you. But there was always a point where if…

Yes the "point where you passed far enough" is another way of saying there is contention, I'm not sure what your point is. If it was a zero or one state, there is no contention over it.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by eertami »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #259
andrewem wrote: post #232

You know what scares the shit out of me, to use your phrasing? The people on that site murdering me or overthrowing the government, so that they seize power and elections end or become irrelevant. “The free Internet” has value, but it’s not the only thing that has value. When it conflicts with other values, then there has to be a nuanced resolution.

Have you ever spent time on the leftist "tankie" / "Chapo trap house" kind of subreddits? Or the Gen Zedong groups that glorify the purge of landlords during the communist revolution in China? If we are really going to go after such people wanting to violently overthrow the government we can't be ignoring the left when they do it.

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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

bdamm wrote: post #200
stronglikedan wrote: post #53

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> Please cite me tweets/descriptions of where he incited anything. It's not gonna happen, because it didn't happen. I've asked everyone I know to cite the same thing, and no one has been able to. Of course, that won't stop the narrative, because truth has become irrelevant. EDIT: I find it amusing that even the people that have responded to you so far, still haven't actually cited anything yet.

Because I've already done this for so many other people that I'm exhausted. Go f*cking read the speech yourself. What did he think would happen when he asked his supporters to "talk to their representatives" literally as they are voting? Go have a nice cup of tea?

They are sea-lioning. They are going to constantly ask for "evidence", and then when provided for it, act as if it's biased/false/non-existant and then restate the question. The goal is to put all the labor of the conversation and gathering of sources onto you while they just get to reply: "I don't believe that, the MSM is biased, show me another source".

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Post by coldtea »

nucleardog wrote: post #306
BitwiseFool wrote: post #259

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Have you ever spent time on the leftist "tankie" / "Chapo trap house" kind of subreddits? Or the Gen Zedong groups that glorify the purge of landlords during the communist revolution in China? If we are really going to go after such people wanting to violently overthrow the government we can't be ignoring the left when they do it.

As soon as those people take action and start murdering all the landlords, absolutely. Speech is speech, when that speech begets action then we have a problem.

So like several months of looting and burning in various cities like Portland?

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Post by [deleted] »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #336
cultus wrote: post #127

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Deplatforming works. A few people follow to other sites, but most don't. It also becomes harder to attract new cultists if one is shut out of major services. https://gnet-research.org/2020/05/11/weighing-the-value-and-...

If Deplatforming works, I can't wait for the right to start deplatforming leftists!

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