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Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by PurpleFoxy »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #699
PurpleFoxy wrote: post #467

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Exactly. it’s hard for McDonald’s to manage food safety with thousands of locations, but they don’t just go “oh well I can’t be watching everything”. They spend the money making sure everything is fine.

False equivalency. McDonald's can and does manage food safety over a vast area, because they've got it down to a fine art after 60 years. A brand new startup from last year can hardly be held to the same standard.

The brand new local pizza bar is held to the same standards as McDonald’s. If you can’t afford to do business safely and legally than you can’t afford to do business. Either scale down your plans or come up with a new idea.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by abernard1 »

anonacct38 wrote: post #151
post_break wrote: post #4

Wow, is this the great purge? I don’t support certain people, but man I don’t think this is going to end well. This censorship just seems crazy to me.

If wal-mart stops selling a brand of ice cream, is that censorship? Is it censorship that wal-mart doesn't sell playboy in their store? If not, then why is the removal of an app from the app store censorship? The world wide web still exists. Parler is still on the internet. Seems like there should be some acknowledgement that there's a difference between refusing to actively participate in distributing content and ce…

> If wal-mart stops selling a brand of ice cream, is that censorship?

If WalMart sold ice cream to white people, but not to black people, that would be pretty awful both morally and it would be illegal.

The thing with speech is it is inherently attached to a person. There is no speech in a vacuum. Google has basically said that certain people shouldn't be able to speak. As politics is a personal belief like religion, it is sad it is not a protected civil right. But that's what this is--saying certain people can express their beliefs, but others can't.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by mhh__ »

SpaceRaccoon wrote: post #733
mhh__ wrote: post #495

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I can't read the article you've linked. > Neera Tanden So one person subject to an extremely obvious narrative-driven article by someone who clearly has an agenda on this issue? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald#Donald_Trump_a... Her tweets are stupid, but quite frankly her response to Greenwald he shows in his own article is a fair response.

> Her tweets are stupid Amazing how lightly you brush off spreading a baseless conspiracy as long as it's your side doing it.

How is it my side?

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Post by winston_smith »

bobcallme wrote: post #736
syndacks wrote: post #444

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First, this is strawman bullshit. Don't bring up app prices in a culture war. What you're witnessing is culture expressing itself, rooted in history, the law, the zeitgeist of the people. And right now the culture is drawing a line in the sand and saying, "don't do that (bigotry, racism, ignorance)". You are free to be on this side of the line or you can start a revolution. So far the good guys are winning. Not Dems…

Fuck you and everyone here. The fact that anyone could defend this decision is ridiculous. I'm tired of people defending censorship in the most brain dead of ways when it has never worked in the past and it most certainly will not work now. Censoring unpopular ideas only allows them to fester in the dark where they can't be brought to light or addressed in the open. This was never about "racism","bigotry" or "ignoran…

Take a deep breath and step away for a minute. You're not alone, and lots of other people right here in this thread are also opposed to censorship. Dying on a hill isn't what we need, and in fact given that you're here, you're probably uniquely qualified to help in the great effort of building the next generation of censorship-resistant technology. Haters gonna hate, but coders gonna code. It'll take time, but we've succeeded before and we'll succeed again.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by wnevets »

setr wrote: post #676
wnevets wrote: post #649

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So what exactly is your threshold before Google should be allowed remove a social media platform from their app store?

I’m only really concerned with consistency. This is just selective enforcement, with fairly obvious political motivation and timing. Google doesn’t just randomly grow a set of morals and balls after a decade of silence about similar behavior by/on Twitter, fb, yikyak, tiktok, Snapchat, etc. Hell, even encouragement if you count things like planning terrorist attacks and successfully killing/harming dozens on WhatsApp…

What exactly do you think is inconsistent? Parler allows its users to openly plan violence. This past Wednesday has proven those plans weren't empty.

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Post by jldugger »

monoideism wrote: post #377
jldugger wrote: post #234

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Wrong capitol hill.

If creating an "autonomous zone" in the middle of the United States isn't sedition, then I don't know what is. If you want to forgive it because it was a bunch of deluded incompetents, then you should probably forgive the Capitol seditionists for the same reason.

> an "autonomous zone" in the middle of the United States

Well, in the middle of Seattle. It's not clear whether chaz intended to secede from the US or merely Seattle policing; their demands were certainly very local so I suspect they really had no intention of leaving the US itself.

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Post by dang »

OCASM wrote: post #730
bjustin wrote: post #728

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If there is a market for it, presumably some business out of reach of the mob in question will take up the mantle for the money. If there's no money in it, then the market is deciding that the market doesn't want the opinions in question. The market still decides in the end.

Unless they're too scared of harrassment by the mob, specially a state-induced one: https://nitter.net/AOC/status/1347679332014161920#m

We've banned this account for continuing to do political flamewar after we specifically asked you not to.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25695444

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Post by Faark »

setr wrote: post #676
wnevets wrote: post #649

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So what exactly is your threshold before Google should be allowed remove a social media platform from their app store?

I’m only really concerned with consistency. This is just selective enforcement, with fairly obvious political motivation and timing. Google doesn’t just randomly grow a set of morals and balls after a decade of silence about similar behavior by/on Twitter, fb, yikyak, tiktok, Snapchat, etc. Hell, even encouragement if you count things like planning terrorist attacks and successfully killing/harming dozens on WhatsApp…

If similar behavior would be fine on twitter, fb and the like, those people wouldn't have fled to parler in the first place.

Not being great at enforcing rules on social media is not on the same level as intending not to have those rules.

Equating private with public messaging is ridiculous. Not sure how laws are in the US, but when doing support here in germany we had to have private in-game messages reported by a participant before we were even allowed to look at them. The company obviously had a much easier time shaping the atmosphere in the public forum.

And if you only care about outcomes like never having a terrorist attack... well, I don't see how this could ever happen without in-depth control by government or the like. China-style is probably the closest example we have, and that's not a trade-off i would want to make.

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Post by _-david-_ »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #711
ccleve wrote: post #531

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It is censorship when those preventing freedom of speech are monopolies. When a small number of companies make it difficult to communicate via our main communication device, and there are no viable alternatives, then a fundamental right is being suppressed. There is no marketplace of ideas when there is no marketplace,

Please point to where in the Constitutions that it says you have a right to post on twitter and facebook or put an app on a webstore?

There is a difference between legal/constitutional freedom of speech and freedom of speech in a cultural perspective.

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Post by [deleted] »

wnevets wrote: post #740
setr wrote: post #739

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If that’s all you’re looking for, then just check the responses section of the tweets you linked... https://twitter.com/EthanKrue/status/1347374487117946888 (Re-)Storming the whitehouse on Jan 20, planning on twitter.

Send me the links to the replies you think are bad.

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