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We need more than deplatforming

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Re: We need more than deplatforming

#21

We need Russians - or people outside of the progressive bubble of Europe and North America - to create an alternate internet, please. Starting with browser, Twitter, Reddit, Facebook replacement. Then onto OS - mobile and desktop.

Yandex Browser, vk.com. There’s Yandex flavour of Android, Alt Linux for desktop. Russia got you covered, comrade, join, they love Trump and hate democrats.

Re: We need more than deplatforming

#22
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article leads with a big "HEY LOOK, we can be trendy and dunk on the President too!" And then sort of whimpers its way into the ever popular "let's have 'independent' fact-checkers to tell you up is down and left is right." "All animals are equal, but left leaning animals are more equal"

If there's one person you don't have to be pursuing trendiness to criticize, it's Trump.

And if there's one group you don't have to feel bad spitting on, it's Jews.

This is not a good road to go down. We've seen where it leads.

Re: We need more than deplatforming

#23
Yes, social media is responsible for radicalizing a small group of alt-right folks, but I don't think de-platforming Trump really fixes the problem, and it acts a local minimum that detracts from solving the actual problem. De-platforming the alleged figurehead is just going to make the problem worse. Big tech is playing a really risky game, and I'm not alone in that opinion. It is a popular opinion that Trump "incited" the siege, but I must respectfully disagree. Most people realize there is a deeper cause, and humbly believe that using Trump as a scapegoat is a short-term bandaid and will only allow the wound to continue to fester.

I hate to say it, but I think that big tech feels responsible for radicalizing folks, and Trump is the perfect scapegoat. Is it really crazy to believe that tech wants to continue using their algorithms (known to cause radicalization) and are using Trump as a scapegoat?

Re: We need more than deplatforming

#24
post #15

Mozilla seems to go out of its way to make it harder for right-leaning people to back them with every move they make... I can't help but feel we're in for a bumpy 2021.

Purely anecdotal, but I know a bunch of "right leaning" people who are completely done with the bullshit and share Mozilla's sentiment. You may be speaking for fewer people than you realize.

Re: We need more than deplatforming

#25

This thread is a joke. Mozilla is putting forth some great ideas to fix the internet without overt censorship. A plan that can work in the long term to improve the internet.

The blog post also explicitly advocates in favor of deplatforming. It doesn't just get to walk away from that, even if it has additional recommendations.

I support deplatforming. Private companies and such.

Twitter should never be a public forum unless the US government feels they need the existing user ecosystem when they turn it into a utility.

Re: We need more than deplatforming

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post #14
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Mozilla blog post you are replying about is suggesting increasing transparency , not suggesting more censorship.

"Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation." Who gets to decide which is which? Why would I want to tell people they are wrong about how they experience the world when they disagree with the way I do?

A fact is a thing that can be objectively verified.

It is a fact regardless of a person’s experience. The word you’re thinking of is opinion. Which is how someone interprets a fact or a set of facts.

Re: We need more than deplatforming

#27
post #15

Mozilla seems to go out of its way to make it harder for right-leaning people to back them with every move they make... I can't help but feel we're in for a bumpy 2021.

Purely anecdotal, but I know a bunch of "right leaning" people who are completely done with the bullshit and share Mozilla's sentiment. You may be speaking for fewer people than you realize.

> completely done with the bullshit

I'm over and done with Trump, but it would have been a lot more effective for everyone if they had let him skulk meekly off into irrelevance.

Re: We need more than deplatforming

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Purely anecdotal, but I know a bunch of "right leaning" people who are completely done with the bullshit and share Mozilla's sentiment. You may be speaking for fewer people than you realize.

> completely done with the bullshit I'm over and done with Trump, but it would have been a lot more effective for everyone if they had let him skulk meekly off into irrelevance.

Pretty sure that wasn’t his plan, given the months-long campaign to overturn the election: which culminated in him inciting a riot.
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