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Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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I would like to see people who are advocating for free speech on private platforms to expand what they are saying to also cover their position on property rights. Fine, fine, I get that a lot of people here are chilled by threats to open discussion. But please go further, how do you balance that with a private company's right to do what they want with their own product? I personally find it very threatening as a prod…

> how do you balance that with a private company's right to do what they want with their own product? You're asking for logic from people who learned from a young age that doing bad things gets them attention. Trump is their icon. He was quick and happy after the "capitol storm" riot to finally say there will be a peaceful transition on the 20th. Why? Because he was asked to do it and he feels he is being helpful by…

You think Trump is an icon for the people these threads here on HN? I don't think so. I think there's a free speech vein in this community that is independent of support for Trump. It might even be the majority.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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The 9/11 event was Trump being president during the Corona virus pandemic. His incompetence has been killing more people every day than the number of people killed on 9/11, for quite some time now.

That's not an argument, I agree that Trump and terrorism is bad. That is not an argument for enacting policies in a collective fit of rage without thinking at all about long-term consequences.

Trump being deplatformed from Twitter is long, long overdue.

They had to rewrite their content policies to give him a loophole a long time ago, since any normal person would be banned for what he said. They recently started having to add disclaimers, because even the loophole wasn't enough to counter his wrongness and influence.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Frankly yes. A tolerant society does not tolerate intolerance.

I don't think you've understood what an insane idea that is. Who defines intolerance? Historically that's the people in power. In the 50's that was the US government and powerful people like CIA Director J Edgar Hoover and Senator Joseph McCarthy who used their power to root out leftists, branding them as communists. They said free america could not tolerate the intolerant leftists because socialism and communists we…

Twitter is not sending anyone to a gulag. What the flipping hell are you talking about?

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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> how do you balance that with a private company's right to do what they want with their own product? You're asking for logic from people who learned from a young age that doing bad things gets them attention. Trump is their icon. He was quick and happy after the "capitol storm" riot to finally say there will be a peaceful transition on the 20th. Why? Because he was asked to do it and he feels he is being helpful by…

You think Trump is an icon for the people these threads here on HN? I don't think so. I think there's a free speech vein in this community that is independent of support for Trump. It might even be the majority.

I meant he's an icon for people clamoring for free speech on private platforms.

In my view the query posed by this conflict is, what is the solution when private platforms hold apparent monopolies over public discourse?

And IMO the answer to this is to encourage competition by lowering barriers to entry for new content providers. Bring back net neutrality with the FCC and FTC's Antitrust should crack down on regional broadband monopolies, content conglomerates, zero rating, etc.

Breaking up Google/Facebook isn't going to provide sufficient competition. We need to ensure there is space for new pastures.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Question not directly related to this event, but triggered by this: Has any of the countries around the world built a communication mechanism to directly reach its people without using any third-party platforms? Isn't this a must, in case external/foreign malicious actors forcibly take control of the major third-party platforms used in a country someday in future?

How long before Trump starts sending emergency alert texts?

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Remember when people said "it's only extremists like Alex Jones" and "white nationalists", yeah well now Twitter has banned the president of the United States. I'm not a supporter of Trump, but I'm yet to hear him explicitly incite violence. I know he encouraged the protest at the Capitol but I've yet to see evidence that he was hoping for it to turn violent? And if he did want that why did he speak out against it? H…

> I’m yet to hear him explicitly incite violence After a mob has killed a police officer, he said “we love you, you are patriots” ... half-hearted “go home” does not minimize a full throated “the election was stolen from us”. If people are rioting over X, and you say “wow, X is really bad!” - is that not encouragement? What, in your mind, is inciting violence? Iirc, he told supporters to punch protesters during the 2…

Do you think the people who were supporting BLM while condemning the violent components were encouraging violence? If not what would you say the difference is?

> Iirc, he told supporters to punch protesters during the 2016 campaign, no?

Yes, that would obviously be inciting violence. I hadn't heard about that. Do you have a source?

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Remember when people said "it's only extremists like Alex Jones" and "white nationalists", yeah well now Twitter has banned the president of the United States. I'm not a supporter of Trump, but I'm yet to hear him explicitly incite violence. I know he encouraged the protest at the Capitol but I've yet to see evidence that he was hoping for it to turn violent? And if he did want that why did he speak out against it? H…

>Remember when people said "it's only extremists like Alex Jones" and "white nationalists", yeah well now Twitter has banned the president of the United States. The president of the United States is in fact an extremist like Alex Jones and a white nationalist.

Again, I want to be clear here that my defence of Trump isn't because I support him, I don't.

That said, I don't know how he can be an extremist given he received such huge support from the American public twice. He's called both a populist and an extremist, which seems - at least to me - to be an oxymoron.

I guess I also don't know why I should think he's a white nationalist? Could you expand on why you think that?

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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> The truth is that the events at the capitol were not a coup. This is deliberate propagandist language. You say so only because it failed. If the tunnels didn't exist? If the mob had been faster or better armed? How would it have ended? Would Pence and Pelosi still be hostages? (Edit: not worth continuing. But I bet anything if I kept going you'd eventually pull out a thesaurus and zing me with BUT it's REALLY an "a…

It's not a failed coup. It's just not a coup at all.

Now you’re just helplessly denying. I just want to remind you that you’re free to change your opinion, no one will think less of you if you do. I’ve done it before, it can be pretty exciting to turn your world around and re-evaluate things every now and then.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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This sort of coordination is exactly what free markets do. There's no conspiracy or coordination other than that. You may as well imply that there was some sort of coordination between every marketing department releasing an ad saying "In these uncertain times..." last March. The coup failed, the dust settled, Biden will be inaugurated, and most importantly, the Democrats took control of the Senate for the next two y…

Wrong. They came to the same conclusion at the same time because their side of the battle finally won and now they can punish their enemies safely. That's all there is to it. Anything else is a rationalization. In the future if the other side ever wins again it should act the same way and punish their enemies too, in a stronger and more vindictive manner. And this should escalate until one side seizes total control o…

Your explanation is a much more interesting story, so if you want to believe it, it's not worth me trying to respond with boring facts.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Here is better explained article on "The Washington Post".[0] P.S. He is also removed from Mastodon[1] too: > The page you were looking for doesn't exist here anymore. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/08/twitter... [1] https://mastodon.social/@realDonaldTrump

> P.S. He is also removed from Mastodon[1] too For some reason, I thought that Mastadon was supposed to be free from censorship (for the sake of discussion, let's just call it that) because you could run your own servers. Did Trump get removed from a specific server or from Mastadon in general? Or did everyone else choose not to link (not sure of the terminology) with him? And if it's possible to get removed from Mas…

This looks like a specific account on an individual server. (which could have been registered by anyone)

Each Mastodon instance chooses which other instances they can federate with (whitelist or blacklist). Given that Mastodon's early adopters included a large amount of people who switched because they thought Twitter should have banned more people (often because of perceived harassment), they tend to quickly ban or blacklist anyone they see as bad actors.

It's free from censorship in the sense that someone could run their own server, but doesn't guarantee an audience.

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