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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by picardythird »

lostlogin wrote: post #582
handmodel wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

> Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally Angry groups of protesters and resulting deaths are not a thing that started happening this week. Twitter are pathetic and have taken a stand once the writing was on the wall.

I’m not defending race rioting. But the context of the riots that occurred over race and the riot that occurred where a mob was two doorways away from killing members of congress is contextually important, as is the fact that the capital rioters answered to exactly one (1) person. And the fact that that one person who had the power to call in the national guard to prevent such deaths appeared uninterested in doing so.

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Post by MarkMc »

In Australia for decades we've had laws that prevent one person from owning a majority of newspapers and TV stations in a city. It was supported by many left-wing people because it prevented Rupert Murdoch from dominating the media landscape.

Now days such people defend the dominance of Twitter because it is using its power in a way that they agree with. Is that a double-standard?

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by bra-ket »

alex_young wrote: post #205
handmodel wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

It's really important realize this distinction. Imagine a newspaper printing a letter to the editor from a person whose words have previously incited a riot. I find it surprising that they enabled the account again at all after the 6th.

mainstream media printed front page articles inciting BLM riots for months.

Why the double standard?

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by darkerside »

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #839
handmodel wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

> Person says bad things to whip up a mob This is * extremely* subjective. Unless you specifically call for an illegal action, it's up entirely to the interpreter whether you intend illegal action. Also, to say that Trump Tweets -> People dying is a ridiculously long leap. Many policy decisions were made that resulted in deaths. For example, not having less violent means of dispersing crowds available on a day when e…

He told people to march on the Capitol and stop the steal. If a mob boss tells his lackeys to "take care of it", he is guilty of murder when they kill him. Judgement cones into play because people are not robots, and people in authority have a responsibility to make their orders clear.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by raldi »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #168

Okay, let's retroactively suspend John McCain for singing "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran" on a hot mike. President George W. Bush should be suspended for invading Iraq on false or flimsy pretexts, resulting in 6,000 American soldiers killed and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Obama lied when he said "you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan" eleven times and this turned out not to be true (90% anyway). Sh…

"What, you think we should be filing our nails? Okay then, let's just cut our arms off."

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Post by vvwvvwvvw »

handmodel wrote: post #65
ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

If you understand this logic, then do you now understand why China does its censoring?

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by wan23 »

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #839
handmodel wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

> Person says bad things to whip up a mob This is * extremely* subjective. Unless you specifically call for an illegal action, it's up entirely to the interpreter whether you intend illegal action. Also, to say that Trump Tweets -> People dying is a ridiculously long leap. Many policy decisions were made that resulted in deaths. For example, not having less violent means of dispersing crowds available on a day when e…

Normally, the President of the United States speaks in a way that is unambiguous with regard to whether they intend people to commit an illegal action.

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Post by miguelmota »

shiado wrote: post #115

74 million voters. This is not going to play out well. There's really no coming back from this moment, the technocratic elite have changed American democracy forever. Edit: I mean this in the way Snowden tweeted yesterday, it will be interesting how this plays out for better or worse, but it is a monumental policy shift that will be a date marked in history books.

Curious, do you think all 74 million people are actually outraged? A lot of people voted republican because of libertarian views, not because they support Trump specifically. A lot of them also don't believe the election was rigged. The capitol riots that occurred this week have also swayed more people away from the conservative party. Trump still has millions of supporters but I think that number is tricking down given the recent events.

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Post by mapme »

tylermenezes wrote: post #300
allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

> Does anybody have a solution Yes. Get rid of newsfeed algorithms that optimize recommendations for engagement. It won't solve our current problem, but that's what cause it. They took pg's Fluff Principal and weaponized it.

Leaders convinced people to do terrible things before newsfeed algorithms, seems like it’s only a contributing factor, but not the fundamental issue.

Feels like it’s a ‘mind of humans’ issue.

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