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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by dredmorbius »

oceanplexian wrote: post #537

IMHO there are things that are much more scary than some trespassing into government buildings or a riot. The possibility that we might slide backwards from traditionally liberal ideas spawned from the enlightenment is utterly terrifying. And we are rapidly heading in that direction.

Whilst I agree somewhat, that's a sufficiently abstract case to make that cognizablity is low.

Things that are tangible and can be seen or sensed or emoted directly have impact. Crowds, sounds, death, damage, violence, mayhem.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by dang »

busymom0 wrote: post #817

Trump says America first - BANNED Iran's Ayatollah says Death To America - allowed. Just shows where people's allegiance lies.

Please stop taking HN threads further into flamewar. You've been doing this repeatedly. Yes, lots of others are doing it too—that doesn't make it ok, that makes it worse.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site to heart, we'd be grateful. The intended spirit is thoughtful, curious conversation. People can't do that and be in battle mode at the same time—the nervous system doesn't work that way.

HN's rules apply to all political affiliations and all users, regardless of how right they are or feel they are, and regardless of how wrong others are or you feel they are.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by krick »

I know it's a bad thread to raise the issue, because everyone is so focused on Trump. But forget about Trump for a minute.

If I recall correctly, for years all these internet giants — Twitter, Google, FB, etc. — protected themselves from any legal action pretending they are not mass-media, because they don't do any censorship and serve just as a middleman between content providers and consumers. Now, we all know that this obviously wasn't true for at least a couple of years, but we also know that governments are slow and lazy, and it takes some time for them to adjust. So it wasn't that surprising that there was no real consequence.

But over the last year all boundaries were so ridiculously, so mindbogglingly crossed, that I wonder if something has to change now. Or do they really have so much power now, that there's zero reasons to be careful of government?

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by willis936 »

TedShiller wrote: post #783

If the decision was based on logical rules they would have done it before. So it’s clearly political. Glad to know that the most influential social networks are not neutral at all despite saying so.

Have you turned on the news this week? It wasn’t the same as what was on last week.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by piyush_soni »

I think every platform is banning Trump now when they know he's going to go in two weeks and a new president is coming. They wouldn't have done it had he been still in power (for extended time) and had done the exact same thing. I mean, they should have done it a lot sooner!

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by cycrutchfield »

rmk wrote: post #472
shiado wrote: post #115

74 million voters. This is not going to play out well. There's really no coming back from this moment, the technocratic elite have changed American democracy forever. Edit: I mean this in the way Snowden tweeted yesterday, it will be interesting how this plays out for better or worse, but it is a monumental policy shift that will be a date marked in history books.

It appears to me that there is a huge electorate that is disgruntled and has felt that the people in power have ignored it for too long. If such a large number of people have actually vandalized Congress (didn't they do something like this to the Michigan Statehouse) to make their displeasure known, then they must genuinely feel that the normal method of registering protest, i.e., voting, has ceased to function for t…

>It appears to me that there is a huge electorate that is disgruntled and has felt that the people in power have ignored it for too long

They literally had 4 years of their president sitting in the oval office, during 2 of which they controlled the legislature as well. If they felt ignored by the people in power, then it was THEIR people that THEY elected that were ignoring them. And, apparently they were not dissatisfied with them because they by and large voted for them AGAIN in 2020.

>then they must genuinely feel that the normal method of registering protest, i.e., voting, has ceased to function for them

No, let's just call them what they are: sore losers.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by piyush_soni »

pupdogg wrote: post #823
ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

Regardless of your beliefs, today is a sad day for free speech.

By that if you mean 'violent inciting free speech', then yes, sad day for that.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by ErikVandeWater »

handmodel wrote: post #65
ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

> Person says bad things to whip up a mob

This is *extremely* subjective. Unless you specifically call for an illegal action, it's up entirely to the interpreter whether you intend illegal action.

Also, to say that Trump Tweets -> People dying is a ridiculously long leap. Many policy decisions were made that resulted in deaths. For example, not having less violent means of dispersing crowds available on a day when everyone in the country knew there could be riots at the Capitol.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by [deleted] »

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #839
handmodel wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

> Person says bad things to whip up a mob This is * extremely* subjective. Unless you specifically call for an illegal action, it's up entirely to the interpreter whether you intend illegal action. Also, to say that Trump Tweets -> People dying is a ridiculously long leap. Many policy decisions were made that resulted in deaths. For example, not having less violent means of dispersing crowds available on a day when e…

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