This thread right here is proof HN is no better than Reddit or any other social media forum people try to claim it is. The amount of rage and hatred being expressed here is just sad.
Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump
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#782Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…
The criminal justice system has very fierce teeth to address B.
Inciting violence and conspiracy are both crimes.
This is an attempt to intervene on a different level and I’m unsure why exactly we feel the FBI, DOJ, Secret Service, etc. aren’t up to this task.
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#783If the decision was based on logical rules they would have done it before. So it’s clearly political. Glad to know that the most influential social networks are not neutral at all despite saying so.
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#784One side began returning home almost immediately after the situation escalated, and has since been so widely shocked by the violence that occurred that many continue to be sceptical it was even born of their movement. The other side, through most of the year, not only didn't denounce the violence, but celebrated it as democracy in action, including one TV anchor that asked to be shown "where it says protesters are su…
Your equivocation of the two sides is such BS and just desperate whataboutism. Was there violence and destruction at rallies over the summer that was criminal? Yes and it wasn’t ok. I expect prosecutions, convictions and restitution. But on Tuesday what occurred was a violent takeover of the legislative branch of government by a mob incited by the defeated leader of another branch to prevent the official recognition of his opponents win. Give me a fucking break.
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#785Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally
I think it's simpler than this. There will likely be an inquiry, and "enablers" may be held to account. This potentially includes social media platforms such as Twitter.
As they should be, equality under the law should include the President. And the things he said were not protected speech.
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#786I’m not trying to give Twitter a pass for the years they spent doing little...but...they are just people. Just a crew of nerdy tech folks showing up to work trying to balance freedom and safety (and profit), without much direct precedent.
If I was in their shoes, I’m not sure I would’ve been more effective.
This situation will be studied for decades as an example of what to do and hopefully the folks running into this situation next time will be more equipped to respond well.
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#787So are they going to apply to the same reasoning to government of Ethiopia, which apparently started a war not too long ago.
Or the governments of Armenia and the other place (Turkmenistan?).
The Chinese consulate was recently bragging on Twitter about how its their concentration camps are serving as feminist awareness centers for Uygar women.
Selectively addressing evils isn’t doing good: it’s taking sides.
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#788This has been an embarrassing incident to those in power because it made them look weak. But calling a populist movement with millions of supporters, terrorists is very short sighted. It will only accelerate the fire. The left soon will control all three branches of government, after an election that many people question, has been simultaneously advocating for censorship of its political adversaries, more draconian c…
> The left soon will control all three branches of government ...the supreme court is majority conservative and has 3 trump appointees. Senate and congress are together one branch (the legislative branch).
True; on the other hand, the Supreme Court didn't even deign to hear the Trump election challenges, so I think it's fair to wonder if they are really on the side of MAGA-style conservatives.
Time will tell if the courts prove to be an obstacle to the Biden admin, but I'll predict probably not (& that will be in contrast to the Trump admin).
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#789Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally
I reckon it also has a lot to do with ad revenue. Trump is the ONLY reason I'm on Twitter. There is literally no other benefit I gain from being on Twitter. Also, people only ever respond to me if I tweet against Trump's policies. If I say anything about science or tech or humanity or art or say some interesting ideas, nobody listens to me. Nobody retweets me. Nobody follows me. It's like talking to a wall. His term…
Twitter isn't there just for your voice. There are plenty of good voices you could follow if you were willing.
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#790One unfortunate side effect of this I see happening is that the big social media companies will crack down use of the platforms for any kind of protest activity, citing incitement to violence.
Probably, but only if the violence doesn't serve them. There will be an undefined but overtly demonstrated acceptable violence. Any words of incitement will be given the most charitable of interpretations.