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Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by slg »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #692
slg wrote: post #524

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>I also think the guy who shot that unarmed woman has no business wearing a uniform and carrying a weapon. I don't know what you are basing this on. He was apparently the last line of defense between the mob and some of the politicians the mob was trying to attack. Who knows what would have happened if they got through that door and he didn't act. There could have easily been a serious hostage situation. >And if it w…

So, totally different from people in Portland barricading a Federal building, then trying to set it ablaze with people inside? Did this crowd of "insurrectionists" actually threaten anyone? There are reports someone set a couple of pipe bombs, but not in the building, and the FBI is investigating it and has offered a $50K reward, but inside the building, it was kooks and protesters who were pretty quickly rounded up…

The protestors in Portland saw the courthouse as a symbol. They were not trying to take control of the government or harm people.

Wednesday's insurrectionists were trying to stop the recognition of the next president and take control by force. You can look through this Twitter thread for examples[1]. People entered the House Chamber armed with some sort of weapon and carrying flex cuffs. These aren't "people spilling over a barrier". They are insurrectionists that attempted to literally take our government hostage. The intent here was drastically more serious than any of the BLM protests.

[1] - https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347011413101998080

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Post by plaidfuji »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #699
PurpleFoxy wrote: post #467

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Exactly. it’s hard for McDonald’s to manage food safety with thousands of locations, but they don’t just go “oh well I can’t be watching everything”. They spend the money making sure everything is fine.

False equivalency. McDonald's can and does manage food safety over a vast area, because they've got it down to a fine art after 60 years. A brand new startup from last year can hardly be held to the same standard.

Do you think fast food startups aren’t required to comply with FDA, OSHA regs, etc to the same extent as McDonalds? It’s a higher barrier to entry, yes, but not impossible.

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Post by vsssk »

throwawaysea wrote: post #510
modriano wrote: post #446

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Are you at all worried about the possibility that America could have another civil war because a sufficiently large proportion of Americans are radicalized in uncensored, insufficiently moderated communities? Facebook's own research found “64% of all extremist group joins are due to our recommendation tools” and that most of the activity came from the platform’s “Groups You Should Join” and “Discover” algorithms: “Ou…

Why do you think there was a seditious conspiracy? Do you really honestly believe that a few hundred people marching onto the capitol have the ability to destabilize the country? Remember, we have layers upon layers of armed forces that would end any such attempt very very easily. I think this incident was more realistically just a bunch of amped up protesters who got caught up in the moment and crossed a physical ba…

> Or maybe when 600 people raided capitol hill to protest immigration law (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/womens-march-protesters-call...)?

Haha. What the. You used an example of women with babies strapped to them in comparison with dudes that stormed the Capitol, killed a cop, looted, all while encouraged by the outgoing president?

> The reality is none of them resulted in any consequences for the activists

The article you linked to has the title: 'Nearly 600 protesters at Women's March arrested on Capitol Hill'

I mean, if you're gonna do false equivalencies, maybe make some effort, instead of going with the spewing hose approach.

> Rose City Antifa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_City_Antifa) organized numerous highly violent riots at federal buildings in Portland - guess what, their Twitter account (https://twitter.com/RoseCityAntifa) still stands

Come back to me when Antifa, with the encouragement of Obama, storms the electoral proceedings of the next Republican president.

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Post by h_anna_h »

pjc50 wrote: post #322
djsumdog wrote: post #132

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The purge has been happening for years. I hate how people on HN is praising this. There are literally few alternatives for the average person apart from Google and eyeProducts. I have a PinePhone, but what percentage of America can truly put in the effort to use one? If you cannot install an run your own software on a device, you do not own the device. You cannot praise the removal of Gab or Parlor now and complain l…

Other way round: anyone on the left is used to unfair treatment. The app reporting drone strike locations was banned years ago. Apple caused tumblr to self-destruct. Just this time the policy is actually in our favor. Unlimited incitement to violence is not sustainable. Banning them for this is the start ; America is going to have a long uncomfortable process of dealing with its media.

Regarding the drone strike app thing. While most of the american left is against drone strikes they still don't mind voting for people who support them. (in comparison to the american right that I doubt would care about the drone strikes in the first place). Point is that both democrat and republican governments would support the drone strike app removal.

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Post by chrispeel »

ptero wrote: post #392
chrispeel wrote: post #347

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Nonsense This is the free market in action. No one is forcing Google or Twitter or FB to do anything; I think they've been very restrained. The libertarians should be happy that it's commercial companies shutting Parler down and not govt. It's only when the president incites violence in an attempt retain power that these commercial entities acted.

Once a company is so big that its refusal to support a small business is a major hit, that company cannot operate in a wild west style. That's why most countries have anti-monopoly laws; and it's long past the time when those laws should have been applied to google.

In case you didn't notice, there are already anti-trust lawsuits against Google; I'm happy that such inspection of big tech is happening. Even so, that's a separate issue

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Post by klodolph »

sawjet wrote: post #515
modriano wrote: post #446

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Are you at all worried about the possibility that America could have another civil war because a sufficiently large proportion of Americans are radicalized in uncensored, insufficiently moderated communities? Facebook's own research found “64% of all extremist group joins are due to our recommendation tools” and that most of the activity came from the platform’s “Groups You Should Join” and “Discover” algorithms: “Ou…

Welcome to the streisand effect. Big tech has effectively silenced 80m Americans and Parker and other alternative wrongspeak will grow much faster now.

The 80M number is not “Americans silenced”, it’s the number of Twitter accounts that follow Trump’s Twitter account.

Evidence generally supports the notion that deplatforming works. If you remove people from your platform, they generally end up scattered across other platforms or new platforms in smaller numbers. “Alternative” platforms are more likely to collapse, which just makes things worse.

Think about this—when was the last time you heard about Alex Jones or Milo Yiannopoulos? What happened to r/fatpeoplehate or r/watchpeopledie? If you want to find these communities, where do you go? You have to search them out. Maybe you check out one of the chans. Maybe you go searching for Discord invites. But you still keep a Reddit and YouTube account, of course. You keep using Twitter and Instagram and Facebook even though the communities you want are deplatformed.

Most people don’t go through the effort. The communities end up fractured. The alternative platforms like Parler and Voat are often worse for exactly the same reasons that they exist in the first place. That’s why deplatforming succeeds.

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

sawjet wrote: post #515
modriano wrote: post #446

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Are you at all worried about the possibility that America could have another civil war because a sufficiently large proportion of Americans are radicalized in uncensored, insufficiently moderated communities? Facebook's own research found “64% of all extremist group joins are due to our recommendation tools” and that most of the activity came from the platform’s “Groups You Should Join” and “Discover” algorithms: “Ou…

Welcome to the streisand effect. Big tech has effectively silenced 80m Americans and Parker and other alternative wrongspeak will grow much faster now.

Do you really think 80MM Americans have been "silenced"? What is wrong with you. As a member of a group that has been historically marginalized in the US, it's laughable to see tech bros act as if they've suffered some Red Summer of 1919 because they can't post on social media.

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Post by bjustin »

OCASM wrote: post #708
FridgeSeal wrote: post #571

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Is this not “the market” deciding it doesn’t want to entertain this business? As a society it’s totally reasonable for us to draw the line at intolerable behaviour, we’re not obliged to put up with platforms that enable hate and vitriol, just as we don’t tolerate violence in the street. If a business closes because nobody is interested in buying their products, or a club disbands because nobody is interested in joini…

In those cases it's the business owner who decides. What happens when the decision comes after a mob puts pressure on the owner to drop that costumer or else?

If there is a market for it, presumably some business out of reach of the mob in question will take up the mantle for the money. If there's no money in it, then the market is deciding that the market doesn't want the opinions in question. The market still decides in the end.

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Post by rasz »

post_break wrote: post #4

Wow, is this the great purge? I don’t support certain people, but man I don’t think this is going to end well. This censorship just seems crazy to me.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-1/t...

"true threat" is where you have actual proof those threats arent empty rhetoric, like you know, people shouting about overthrowing the government and then storming Parliament while armed, with resulting causalities.

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Post by OCASM »

bjustin wrote: post #728
OCASM wrote: post #708

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In those cases it's the business owner who decides. What happens when the decision comes after a mob puts pressure on the owner to drop that costumer or else?

If there is a market for it, presumably some business out of reach of the mob in question will take up the mantle for the money. If there's no money in it, then the market is deciding that the market doesn't want the opinions in question. The market still decides in the end.

Unless they're too scared of harrassment by the mob, specially a state-induced one:

https://nitter.net/AOC/status/1347679332014161920#m

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