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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by vzcx »

tenaciousDaniel wrote: post #716
nxc18 wrote: post #512

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> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels Why do you think this? Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. It’s literally written into the constitution and it took literal bloodshed to change that. And then when we did, there was massive pushback in the form of Jim Crow laws. Statistically you’d expect half of people to be dumber than a…

Where is racism "literally written" into the constitution? edit: look I know it's bad form on here to complain about being downvoted, but I was asking an honest question. Chill, people.

I assume he is talking about the 3/5 compromise.

I wonder if you could tell us, GP, which states wanted that number to be one and which wanted it to be zero?

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by dragonwriter »

tenaciousDaniel wrote: post #716
nxc18 wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels Why do you think this? Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. It’s literally written into the constitution and it took literal bloodshed to change that. And then when we did, there was massive pushback in the form of Jim Crow laws. Statistically you’d expect half of people to be dumber than a…

Where is racism "literally written" into the constitution? edit: look I know it's bad form on here to complain about being downvoted, but I was asking an honest question. Chill, people.

Aside from the place mentioned in numerous sibling comments, Article I Sec. 9. Cl. 1 (it's not phrased in racial terms, but it's literally Constitutional protection of the slave trade.)

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by jessaustin »

treeman79 wrote: post #708
jessaustin wrote: post #652

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Republicans will take back both houses of Congress in two years. So, the overblown rhetoric that Democrats have to stage in order to hide the fact that they are basically Republican by most policy measures ("why don't we have affordable healthcare like other nations have, especially in a pandemic?" "Because fasciststs!1!") only has to last until then.

So long as mass mail in ballots is a thing. No republican is going to trust the system.

Rather than fixating on the mailed ballots, which are used in many places and by which Republicans have been elected in the most recent election and before, concentrate on designing an end-to-end system which could safely incorporated mailed ballots.

Two years of lots of shouting and no accomplishments by Democrats, with more covid deaths in 2021 than in 2020, is going to powerfully depress their turnout in 2022. Also there is a new thing called "Movement for a People's Party" [0] that will take more votes from Democrats than from Republicans. Don't be discouraged about Republican political prospects!

[0] https://peoplesparty.org/

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by Barrin92 »

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

>Wouldn't you do the same?

No, if every educated person, scientist, lawyer, and generally decent person starts treating me like I'm radioactive at some point I'd probably start pondering if they're right rather than putting on a Viking outfit and storming the capitol in the name of Q. I actually lack the imagination to conceive of what goes on in the mind of someone who stands in a crowd of people who look like a mix of dollar-store militia and medieval role-playing convention and not ask themselves where they went wrong

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by akamaka »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #584
akamaka wrote: post #547

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> > Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. > > Yes. This is correct. Have you looked at the data of how many women are pro-life? Do you think half of women are misogynists? https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018...

Yes, I’m aware of zillions of examples of people actively participating in their own oppression. I think you’ll also find that not nearly as many women are actually anti-abortion as claim to be, at least in their own personal choices. And the women who are are perfectly comfortable forcing other women to carry pregnancies to term. How is that not misogyny?

Why ask me? I don’t claim to know what they’re thinking, I’m just skeptical at the idea that misogynists are so evenly distributed between genders.

Why don’t you actually go talk to pro-life people and really listen to what they have to say? You might discover a better line of argument than just saying “stop being a woman hater”.

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Post by colinmhayes »

akamaka wrote: post #547
eyelidlessness wrote: post #485

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> Are against open borders? Then you’re a racist. An infinitesimal part of the population and debate around border/immigration policy favors open borders. The framing of anything remotely mainstream as “open borders” definitely strikes me as a likely sign of racism. > Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. Yes. This is correct. > Are for a pro worker visa policy and tariffs on imports? Then you’re a national…

> > Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. > > Yes. This is correct. Have you looked at the data of how many women are pro-life? Do you think half of women are misogynists? https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018...

Yes, plenty of women have been mislead into misogyny.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by swiley »

wvenable wrote: post #312
o_p wrote: post #117

Imagine owning a phone that can only get content approved by Apple and can cancel you for any arbitrary reason. Its like buying a radio that can only listen to democrats approved stations, its ridiculous and yet the fanboys will defend their shitty practices no matter what

> Its like buying a radio that can only listen to democrats approved stations That's actually how radio works! The stations are licensed by the government. This is actually much better as there is no government involved -- this is just a private company doing what it wants with the software and hardware that it owns -- and you are not restricted by the government to use only their technology.

That's not quite right (for this reason actually.) Someone pointed it out and they changed the rules long ago so you're allowed to run low power stations without a lisensce so long as you don't interfere with lisenced users.

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Post by seesaw »

deelowe wrote: post #663
detaro wrote: post #366

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If your lawsuit doesn't even go to trial (for a variety of reasons), you clearly haven't won it. Unless you win a lawsuit, "haven't won any of their lawsuits" is 100% true. And the media did report on sme of the lawsuits being thrown out, but I'm sure they would have found something wrong with reporting that too. Or should the courts just suddenly start entertaining invalid lawsuits just so Trump lawyers don't look a…

My point was that the lawsuits are irrelevant. People are looking for answers and misplacing their blame.

Yeah, I was hoping that the HN crowd would be pondering over the root cause for how we got here. There is a reason a lot of people are angry on both the sides, and the reasons mostly overlap.

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

koolba wrote: post #399
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

They’ve been shifting the Overton window for years. Are against open borders? Then you’re a racist. Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. Are for a pro worker visa policy and tariffs on imports? Then you’re a nationalist (which isn’t even a bad word but they make it sound like one) Are for the right to bear arms? Then you’re an uneducated hillbilly. Are for churches and other religious institutions to decid…

I don't buy this. Who is they?

The same can be done the other way around.

For medical for all? You're a communist

For benefits and worker protections, like unions? You're a snowflake and don't want to work

This is a meaningless exercise.

We have multiple levels of government, we have a courts system, a legislature, and an executive branch, all directly or indirectly elected by the people. I'm not going to make any excuses for anyone for threatening the foundation of everyone's way of life here.

Sometimes your guy loses, fair and square.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by wisty »

Barrin92 wrote: post #744
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

>Wouldn't you do the same? No, if every educated person, scientist, lawyer, and generally decent person starts treating me like I'm radioactive at some point I'd probably start pondering if they're right rather than putting on a Viking outfit and storming the capitol in the name of Q. I actually lack the imagination to conceive of what goes on in the mind of someone who stands in a crowd of people who look like a mix…

I can think of a number of historical examples where the decent people were wrong. I'm not saying this is comparable, but people will say it is.
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