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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by HeyImAlex »

AI_WAIFU wrote: post #594
allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

I think everyone is ignoring the nitroglycerin that's been poured onto what was originally just embers. Every single one of these social media platforms has had an enormous incentive to broadcast viral mind destroying rage-bait to everyone 24/7 for the past decade. People say that free speech needs to go, but free speech has been working fine for centuries, and allowed formerly incredibly unpopular opinions to take h…

This seems like a paradox since broadcasting viral mind destroying rage-bait is... free speech. So what you're suggesting seems like it necessarily involves curtailing free speech.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by _y5hn »

throwaway2245 wrote: post #627
rattlesnakedave wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think it will have some negative 2nd/3rd order effects. that they haven't yet realized. This is correct. The type of person that stormed the capitol will perceive this as an escalation. I’m sure that’s not what we need, but I’m also sure that there is no good way out of this mess.

> The type of person that stormed the capitol will perceive this as an escalation. One can argue that this type of person would potentially perceive any action (or inaction) as an escalation. That doesn't mean that action shouldn't be taken.

Indeed, even inaction may be infuriating to these mislead people.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by keithnz »

pupdogg wrote: post #823
ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

Regardless of your beliefs, today is a sad day for free speech.

why? twitter isn't the government, nothing is stopping anyone's free speech.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by curlyQueue »

1MachineElf wrote: post #774
curlyQueue wrote: post #638

There is no argument for censorship, suspension or banning, based on our 1st amendment—- on any of the multiple platforms doing so. I came on here just to check what the “young intellectual tech” community thinks— I consider myself part of it. I’m a 20-something female who has been heavily involved in tech for my short career. Heads up: This isn’t animal farm, this is 1984! I never post on here and stopped reading aw…

Funny coincidence, I was enjoying JP's Ted Talk an hour before you posted this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79zra755WgA

I’ll have to give that a watch, didn’t realize he had a Ted talk! My favorites so far are “what its like living in California” and “instagrams new terms of service - not sketchy at all!”

The Brett Pella on Californians moving back to California one is also hilarious (can you tell I live here lol born and raised)

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by klyrs »

metabagel wrote: post #746
Shivetya wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made a comment before to the effect, what happens when you are banned permanently from the biggest social media platforms currently in existence? Will these bans carry over and will they start to affect any who oppose the bans or simply parrot what he says elsewhere? Will these spawn new social media sites or will they damage existing ones or do both? This is all so fascinating and frightening at the same time. Peo…

Trump will take up shop on Parler and be welcomed with open arms.

Not yet... so far he's gotten slapped for using @POTUS and @TeamTrump. Is this the "bargaining" phase of grief?

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by nojvek »

downandout wrote: post #377
Rebelgecko wrote: post #54

Is it just my perception, or is their actual justification using the 2 quoted tweets kinda weak? Interpreting his boycott of an event as a call to violence seems like a huge stretch. It seems like they wanted to shoehorn a justification using his 2 latest tweets when the actual reason goes back further.

It was very weak, and in my opinion, is likely to have catastrophic consequences. They have - purposely, it seems - drawn battle lines for a further divided country. This will be seen by conservatives as a wholesale rejection of all conservative speech on the platform. They are going to abandon Twitter in favor of a clone that will welcome Trump. We will then have a conservative Twitter, and the existing liberal Twit…

The conservative right Twitter is called https://parler.com/

And yeah it’s gaining a lot of members recently.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by stjohnswarts »

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

I can't agree, this is the peak of the trump era, a last hoorah for him and his followers. They will now be pushed to the fringe and Trump will go to jail for a significant amount of time in New York for serious tax fraud and bank fraud no doubt.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by ggm »

greedo wrote: post #555
hindsightbias wrote: post #512

While your High School Civics class said a lot of things, the reality is (most of) The Founders got together because they saw where things were headed and they were terrified of mob violence that was breaking out in the colonies. They worried that either the Brits would arrive a crush things, or the locals would turn on them with tar and feather. So they got together and engineered a very weak democracy, unsure which…

Your "reality" of early American history is nonsense.

Your rebuttal is neither informative nor helpful.
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