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Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by stjohnswarts »

ccleve wrote: post #531
rrose wrote: post #233

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I seriously can't identify with this viewpoint. There's no censorship here- parler still exists, people are still free to share their (abhorrent) viewpoints there, Google is just choosing not to amplify the voices of people that have proven themselves capable of and prone to violence. All the pearl-clutching over free speech is totally overblown.

It is censorship when those preventing freedom of speech are monopolies. When a small number of companies make it difficult to communicate via our main communication device, and there are no viable alternatives, then a fundamental right is being suppressed. There is no marketplace of ideas when there is no marketplace,

Please point to where in the Constitutions that it says you have a right to post on twitter and facebook or put an app on a webstore?

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Post by FDSGSG »

SpaceRaccoon wrote: post #704
FDSGSG wrote: post #655

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There is no hosting monopoly, there is no payment processing monopoly, there is no domain registration monopoly, there is no SSL CA monopoly.

It's sufficient to push undesirables to services which are more expensive, more inconvenient, unreliable, and so on. Relegate them to their internet ghetto. However, there clearly is a small number of players in mobile platforms, cloud, and payment, and they act in a unified way. It has been sufficient.

>mobile platforms

Sure, there are in fact only a small number of players in this space.

>cloud

There are vast amounts of hosting providers. A quick google suggests over 300k, but that sounds somewhat unlikely.

>payment

There are a thousands of banks in the world, most of Europe manages just fine using bank transfers for payments without involving external payment processors.

>It's sufficient to push undesirables to services which are more expensive, more inconvenient, unreliable, and so on. Relegate them to their internet ghetto.

Is this really a problem? That's just the inherent nature of being undesirable.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

johndevor wrote: post #364
rrose wrote: post #233

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I seriously can't identify with this viewpoint. There's no censorship here- parler still exists, people are still free to share their (abhorrent) viewpoints there, Google is just choosing not to amplify the voices of people that have proven themselves capable of and prone to violence. All the pearl-clutching over free speech is totally overblown.

Sure, people technically have free speech. But not in any meaningful sense. It's like trying to have a debate when the other side has a megaphone.

Go to China, Turkey, or Saudi Arabia and insult the leader(s) of the country on the internet and see how long you last. That is why we're different.

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Post by stubish »

ehvatum wrote: post #562
modriano wrote: post #446

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Are you at all worried about the possibility that America could have another civil war because a sufficiently large proportion of Americans are radicalized in uncensored, insufficiently moderated communities? Facebook's own research found “64% of all extremist group joins are due to our recommendation tools” and that most of the activity came from the platform’s “Groups You Should Join” and “Discover” algorithms: “Ou…

The proposition that free and open discussion creates civil war is frightening. If we are prepared to believe such a thing, then we have no democracy to protect.

Discussion? I haven't seen discussion come out of the US on a number of topics for decades. Discussions might start, but someone comes along and starts incoherently screaming.

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Post by idiot900 »

zaroth wrote: post #698
idiot900 wrote: post #673

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Harris was warning that those terrible riots would continue, not encouraging them. The meaning is quite clear, but I don't think I can convince you of that. Quote from Harris: “It’s no wonder people are taking to the streets and I support them. We must always defend peaceful protest and peaceful protestors. We should not confuse them with those looting and committing acts of violence, including the shooter who was ar…

I know that’s what you see. You see that because you believe that and spoken language is ambiguous. Trump followed up with an almost identical statement. You understand what he said differently because you believe different things about Trump. It’s OK. It’s politics. In the end all I want is people to be consistent in how they describe violent mobs. Personally I don’t think these violent mobs in the summer or yesterd…

> You see that because you believe that and spoken language is ambiguous.

By this reasoning there is no such thing as a meaningful statement in a human language.

Anyway. I think we'll agree to disagree. Pleasure chatting with you, and stay safe.

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Post by dang »

rrose wrote: post #456
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #247

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The vast majority of BLM protests were peaceful. > ...93 percent of the protests associated with BLM were entirely peaceful... Yet our government treats left-wing protests and right-wing protests quite differently. > Between May 1 and November 28, 2020, authorities were more than twice as likely to attempt to break up and disperse a left-wing protest than a right-wing one. And in those situations when law enforcement…

this comment being downvoted really reveals the character of the discussion here.

Please don't break the site guidelines like this.

A corrective upvote would have sufficed. Notice that the comment you're talking about is no longer in a downvoted state.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by wnevets »

throwawaylolx wrote: post #681
wnevets wrote: post #370

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How about these [1], are they just basic political discourse find on twitter, fb and every other social media system? [1] https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347190280492089344

How about these? https://i.ibb.co/5xMfsGL/twitter.png

Looks like very nasty, tasteless, crud and even hateful tweets but I'm not see any plans to storm the white house to the murder people.

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Post by Izkata »

Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #318
djsumdog wrote: post #190

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> This what is happening in USA right now is nowhere near that It's going to happen. These platforms are so large they encompass a signification amount of the communication market .. and I don't say that lightly. Look at how Facebook has literally gobbled up all its competition and now is pushing policies that make WhatsApp and Oculus useless without handing over full control of all your accounts and devices? These c…

Why this assumption that you need a smartphone? That's patently silly. Your life and liberty do not depend on you owning a smartphone. This is an app on an app store. Do I think it's a great precedent to set? Not really, despite my political beliefs being heavily progressive. But this overblown reaction is bananas. Like, my life is proceeding just fine without either WhatsApp or Oculus products. Or a Facebook account…

It'd be a good idea to read through these threads from a day or two ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25662215

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25669864

Apparently WhatsApp is so integrated into several countries' cultures, you cannot live without it. Like literally - some examples I remember are food deliveries (during lockdowns) are only available through WhatsApp, as are scheduling hospital visits, anything involving schooling, I think I remember lawyers sharing documents, and so on.

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Post by dragonwriter »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #687
dragonwriter wrote: post #553

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> It wasn't exactly an attack It was exactly an attack > it was a bunch of protesters, trespassing into the building during a very important session. No, it was a large armed mob targeting legislators; as well as many of them stating that legislators were their targets (some saying that they would be back for them), this is clearly shown in the video of the context around Ashli Babbitt getting shot, where the violenc…

She was unarmed, in a group of people who all looked unarmed in the video. None of them was holding a weapon much less training it on the police. Don't make things up.

> She was unarmed, in a group of people who all looked unarmed in the video. None of them was holding a weapon

There are no firearms visible in the mob in the video; there are weapons in active use in the video (against the barricades, but if you are responsible for protection of life you can't assume that that will be abandoned once the barricade is down).

> much less training it on the police.

The police aren't the main people that the police were protecting. (That some of them were acting as literal human shields at the barricades makes that clear.)

What would you have had them do? Allow a breakthrough, reassess the intention of the mob, and if it was still an active threat start firing then, without the passive defense of th barrier? As well as endangering the lives they ought to be protecting most urgently (the ones not engaging in a violent crime), and their own lives, unless the crowd instantly became pacific after breaking through the barricade, that would have resulted in a whole lot more dead insurrectionists, because there would be no choice but to fire as fast as aim can be switched to a new target until the crowd stopped.

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Post by zaroth »

idiot900 wrote: post #715
zaroth wrote: post #698

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I know that’s what you see. You see that because you believe that and spoken language is ambiguous. Trump followed up with an almost identical statement. You understand what he said differently because you believe different things about Trump. It’s OK. It’s politics. In the end all I want is people to be consistent in how they describe violent mobs. Personally I don’t think these violent mobs in the summer or yesterd…

> You see that because you believe that and spoken language is ambiguous. By this reasoning there is no such thing as a meaningful statement in a human language. Anyway. I think we'll agree to disagree. Pleasure chatting with you, and stay safe.

Ambiguous doesn’t mean meaningless.

Harris says verbatim that the protests are not going to let up, and should not. Even though they are violent, and people have died. You chose to interpret that as her saying that they would not stop (a warning) but not an endorsement. I see it clearly as a warning and an endorsement. Would not and should not.

But I recognize that Trump talks and suddenly maybe I’m in your shoes and you’re in mine.

Maybe I think the transcript irrefutably supports my position, but it’s Ok if you disagree. I don’t think either of us are fascists because of it.

The result isn’t words have no meaning, it’s whether you will respect people enough to let them answer you and clarify and believe them when they do.

So Trump says “there were fine people” and people say, wait did he just complement literal nazis, and you check the transcript and you realize, oh, “and I’m not talking about the nazis, they should be condemned totally”.

But the media doesn’t allow Trump to say “and I’m not talking about the nazis”. They cover their ears at that point and say, “la la la, Trump just said nazis are fine people!”

And that’s what’s wrong with this picture. They did it in Charlottesville, they did it to cover for horrible rioting by BLM/Antifa, and they are doing it today.

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