Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store • Hacker News Board

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by amanaplanacanal » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:38 AM UTC

agiroth wrote: post #608

danijelb wrote: post #127

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Real censorship means that the government prosecutes you for speech, no matter where or how or to whom are you saying it. That was happening in parts of Europe from 1945 to 1990. This what is happening in USA right now is nowhere near that. It's just free market. If you're banned from a certain platform you can reach your audience in another way. No one is censoring your speech. It's just a certain company not wantin…

> Free speech != guaranteed access to a company providing access to a big audience If that's what were happening you'd probably have a point, but it isn't. "Not deleting" something is not the same as providing the audience, nor amplifying. And, by the way, yes free speech does imply some obligations on the rest of us. Speech is not free if you are not free to exercise it; "you're free to talk in a prison cell" type o…

You have never had the right of free speech on someone else’s property. This is not new in any way.

I realize that there are some court cases that do guarantee free speech in extremely limited circumstances, but saying that society at large has “lost that value” doesn’t line up with any history that I’m aware of.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by SpaceRaccoon » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:38 AM UTC

jude- wrote: post #626

SpaceRaccoon wrote: post #589

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That's interesting. Do you feel the same way about a company refusing to serve Jews or Blacks? Is it their right?

Under the current anti-discrimination laws, political affiliation is not a protected class. Religion, race, sexuality, etc., however, are.

So as we soon as we pass law making it a protected class, that argument will be null and void, correct?

Great, I cannot wait!

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by radlad » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:38 AM UTC

Nacdor wrote: post #320

jackson1442 wrote: post #177

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Did the BLM riots promote sedition? That's probably why. Also worth noting that there was no property damage or injuries in more than 97 to 98% of protests[1] [1]: https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-di...

Is it better that they looted and burned local businesses rather than confronting the politicians who were the architects of their oppression?

Didn't they confront the police who were the architects of their oppression?

Also worth noting that there was no property damage or injuries in more than 97 to 98% of protests[1]

[1]: https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-di...

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by TheAceOfHearts » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:39 AM UTC

djsumdog wrote: post #591

Pils wrote: post #395

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> You have Android, iOS and PinePhones. I mean, Parler is a CRUD app. You are posting a comment on another CRUD app that doesn't even have an official mobile app client!

How do you do notifications from a CRUD app on a mobile device if you can't have a native app on the device? Let's not kid ourselves. People rarely use the browser for something they really like on mobile if there is a native app. The experience is very different.

You can use SMS or email.

There is also ongoing work to add Push API [0] support on the web as well. No Safari support though.

[0] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by radlad » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:40 AM UTC

rhino369 wrote: post #394

jackson1442 wrote: post #177

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Did the BLM riots promote sedition? That's probably why. Also worth noting that there was no property damage or injuries in more than 97 to 98% of protests[1] [1]: https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-di...

The riots[1] this past year were actual rebellion too. They certainly challenged government authority and burned down police stations. Some of the Lafayette Square protestors would have breached the white house if they could have too. 60 secret service agents were injured. The only difference, really, is that the Capitol Police did a worse job. [1]I don't like using the term BLM riots since I have have no idea to wha…

There were very few riots - and part of the problem is that all BLM protests, whether resulting in riots or not, have been dubbed under this label.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:41 AM UTC

Darmody wrote: post #603

beirut_bootleg wrote: post #519

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There is a moderation team that deals with these. It's on the users' to report them. You can't expect moderation to catch 100%. GP is the one who is cherry-picking.

Like this one https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/1307107507131875330 ? Threatening with violence if Trump appointed a new SCOTUS. He has almost 300k followers. The tweet is not deleted and his account is untouched. There are several more like him, with hundreds of thousands of followers. Some deleted the tweet but their accounts are still there. But we could go even further. The VP-elect, Kamala Harris, asked for m…

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Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by dilap » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:42 AM UTC

throwaway314158 wrote: post #558

dilap wrote: post #341

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I think a better analogy is saying, oh, you've banned newspapers, but who cares, you can still talk to people in person. Which is to say, it's true, & that's a good thing, but that doesn't mean that the censorship itself isn't bad. The most effective, most powerful communication medium that exists right now is native apps for social networks on smartphones. If 100% of that medium is controlled and censored by two com…

> If 100% of that medium is controlled and censored by two companies Except you can sideload on Android.

That's a good point actually. I'm on iPhone; is distributing software via side-loading on Android actually practicle, or is it such a pain that it becomes non-workable in practice?

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Post by 4234 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:43 AM UTC

f430 wrote: post #618

4234 wrote: post #565

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The message was really "COPS ARE KILLING BLACK PEOPLE," yet most people killed by police are white (somehow none of these ever seem to merit national, 24/7 news coverage), and while a disproportionate number killed are black, they also commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime and have more violent encounters with police.

I don't know about stats but lets see the big picture: they were brought over as slaves, abused for generations, and then put in shitty economic environments where there is no education, only poverty. Crime goes hand in hand with poverty, and it builds stereotypes and biases that makes it easier for incarceration which in America is just privatized slave labor market who makes mundane everyday items.

>I don't know about stats

That's typical of BLM supporters. Even intelligent, supposedly scientifically minded people no longer see fit to consult the raw data. They know it's out there, somewhere, but that they're not supposed to look at it.

> Crime goes hand in hand with poverty

Race is actually a better predictor of crime than poverty. But it should be obvious by now that a large part of the disparity is due to the media inciting hatred for whites amongst blacks. Look at the recent spate of "random attacks" (there's nothing random about them) in NYC in the last few months:

> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54396065

> https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/stranger-randomly-bash...

> https://nypost.com/2021/01/06/man-busted-for-series-of-attac...

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jfN1kXPiak

Do you seriously believe this would be happening if the media weren't constantly propagandizing black people with a narrative of "unprovoked violence against innocent PoC by white racists?"

I plan on leaving NYC sometime before 2024, since I assume the media will again create another "long, hot summer" to increase Democratic turnout, regardless of how many "random" attacks it incites.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by jude- » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:43 AM UTC

SpaceRaccoon wrote: post #662

jude- wrote: post #626

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Under the current anti-discrimination laws, political affiliation is not a protected class. Religion, race, sexuality, etc., however, are.

So as we soon as we pass law making it a protected class, that argument will be null and void, correct? Great, I cannot wait!

I wouldn't hold your breath.

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Post by dragonwriter » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:45 AM UTC

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #638

flunhat wrote: post #443

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Exactly -- I love the pearl-clutching tone of these of slippery-slope complaints: "Just you wait, leftists! One day the power of the state shall be visited upon you, and then you'll see! How would you feel if the government censored you, infiltrated your gatherings, and sidelined you from mainstream society? Hmmmmm?"

> " How would you feel if the government censored you, infiltrated your gatherings, and sidelined you from mainstream society? " It already happened to the left before and it was called the Red Scare of the '50s. It is strange to see the modern left dig up those old repressive practices and adopt the for their own but "those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" I suppose.

Um, it's happening to the left now (including infiltration, active attempts by government provocateurs to discredit, and even government agents collaborating with violent non-government actors engaging in violent retaliation, etc.; BLM has been a particular target), with government power involved much more than in anything targeting the Right.

That seems to be GPs point, actually. It's silly when those on the right are pretending that th comparatively minor private exclusion that the more extreme Right is subjected to might sometime be directed at the Left. The Left is used to much worse, at the hands of the State along with private exclusion, routinely.