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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by chasd00 »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #541
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

A republican sees this election as an attack on democracy -- an election that was stolen. A democrat sees the election as a grab for power. Both are right in their actions from their own point of view.

if it were trump who won by the same narrow margin i would not have been surprised if the exact same thing happened only with the sides reversed. I don't see any difference between the two sides, only that one is on top and one is not and from time to time it rolls over. This is why the "deplatforming" is eyeroll inducing, eventually the pendulum swings back the other way and it will be the other side getting deplatformed. and so on

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by kmbfjr »

LetsPlayNice wrote: post #539
e5india wrote: post #518

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They can't possibly all be violent bigots. And yet Parlor is being de-platformed specifically because it refuses to police the portion of the conservative conversation that is so. It's not because they believe in smaller government or lower taxes. Conservatism plays this game where it uses this violent rhetoric casually and then acts all surprised when its own members act on that rhetoric. They tell each other that…

The violent groups that organized on Facebook, does anyone feel Google or Apple should penalize Facebook for allowing that to occur? Should all Facebook users be deplatformed?

Uh, yes! Lets give Republicans their wish, repeal section 230 and start over.

It is clear many people struggle with adult life and can’t handle an open platform to share whatever is on thwir mind.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by bun_at_work »

zests wrote: post #517
colinmhayes wrote: post #507

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Exactly what we're doing now. Democracy. The people vote with their wallet.

The mega-corporations that herd people together and use their people herd to sell ad slots are not part of a democracy.

Public outrage is what these companies are responding to. If they didn't think the majority of their users wanted this, they wouldn't do it. For example, you don't see Parler banning the domestic terrorists organizing on the platform, do you?

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Post by de6u99er »

Let's take a helicopter view first. Accounts being banned because of hate-speech, threatening violence, or glorification of terrorist acts is nothing new and shouldn't surprise anybody here.

That being said, Trump's Twitter account, contrary to other peoples accounts, enjoyed special privileges and protection only because he was (currently still is) the president if the USA.

After the riots which were started at his rally, him not only refusing to condemn the violence but actually endorsing it, and the Capitol Police's stranfe way of handling the situation, he lost this privilege.

On a personal note I'd like to add, that Trump pardoning war criminals and protecting disproportional police violence reminded me of Adolf Hitler's rise when he surrounded himself with dishonorably discharged military and police before he grabbed absolute power in Germany.

I believe USA ditched a bullet here. Without his catastrophic COVID-19 response he might have been re-elected and behaved more unhinged than he already did in his second term.

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Post by kzrdude »

jackson1442 wrote: post #572
nnspired wrote: post #535

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There is no going back. It is because the “winning” side is actively doing their best to demonize everyone who doesn’t fit into their mold. So much for reconciling differences.

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Either way time to look into denazification and how it was done historically (Germany). Rewriting school textbooks and more.

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Post by snowflake_ptr »

caconym_ wrote: post #191
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

What is “the other route”? They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. Their legal cases are being rejected because they have no legal merit. The mainstream media refuse to take them seriously because they have again and again shown themselves to be bad faith actors, peddlers of unsubstantiated conspiracy, outright liars, and so on. I don…

> They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence.

I challenge you to provide any concrete evidence for this claim - in particular, that (1) the majority of their speech specifically consists of calls to violence (not just "violent" because that term has been twisted recently to mean a wide range of things that a certain political party disagrees with) (2) that the behavior of the tens of millions of people in this political party are at all correlated with the several hundred people who stormed the capitol and (3) that this was significantly worse than the Antifa and BLM riots that we had throughout the entirety of 2020.

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Post by boringg »

hilyen wrote: post #109

People don’t seem to understand, censorship is a double edged sword. You never know who will be in charge years from now and will abuse those very same good intentioned laws & we end up a police state.

It is like when the republicans nuked the filibuster for supreme court justices. Same concept.

Question ... does 4chan have an app on the apple store?

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Post by creato »

nicbou wrote: post #153
bjtitus wrote: post #47

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> Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. Well these last two seem pretty par for the course for illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate. At a certain point the line of absurdity has been crossed at it is not the duty of society to constantly debunk illegitimate claims. > The other side keeps deplatforming them In this particular case, Parler has been host to a num…

Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

What is the point of your post? The post you are replying to cited a specific law regarding specific threats.

What does that have to do with what most people believe or whether most people are dumb or not?

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Post by afavour »

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

I reject the idea of an “other side” here. It’s very popular to bucket these things into black and white binaries but I don’t buy it. There are people who are on the fringes, both left and right, and then there are a lot of people who fit somewhere in the middle. Even “left” and “right” is a vast oversimplification at times.

When you start to think about it that way the perspective you’ve outlined doesn’t make a lot of sense. Should these people have legally nonsensical court cases heard simply because they’re a minority group and we need to ensure diversity in plaintiffs or something?

Overall, the argument only makes sense if there is some innate “right to be heard” that these people are being deprived of. There isn’t. There have been fringe movements that weren’t indulged by society at large for thousands of years, I’m not sure why any obligation would have changed.

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Post by [deleted] »

gamblor956 wrote: post #576
caconym_ wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is “the other route”? They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. Their legal cases are being rejected because they have no legal merit. The mainstream media refuse to take them seriously because they have again and again shown themselves to be bad faith actors, peddlers of unsubstantiated conspiracy, outright liars, and so on. I don…

To follow up on caconym's comment, FBI has confirmed that more than a dozen explosive devices were found at the Capitol after the siege, including pipe bombs left in front of the DNC offices.[1] 5 people died. 50 officers were wounded, some seriously enough that they are still in the hospital. Multiple protestors had zip ties and other means of restraint on them, knives, and guns, and on their social media profiles w…

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