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Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by criddell »

agiroth wrote: post #621
criddell wrote: post #533

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Is Google refusing to distribute Parler different from the NYT refusing to publish an article I send them?

Yes. NYT is making an editorial decision. Google publishing an app is much more akin to you making a phone call - they are the carrier, nothing else, because they control the end of line.

Phone companies also have terms of service. Here’s AT&T’s:

> AT&T may immediately terminate all or a portion of your Service or reduce or suspend Service, without notice, for conduct that AT&T believes (a) is illegal, fraudulent, harassing, abusive, or intended to intimidate or threaten; (b) constitutes a violation of any law, regulation, or tariff (including, without applicable policies or guidelines (including the Acceptable Use Policy), and AT&T may refer such use to law enforcement authorities without notice to you.

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Post by proc0 »

zapita wrote: post #466
proc0 wrote: post #269

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Censorship opposes the free market of ideas. Maybe it's a private company, but it doesn't make sense to use that principle to justify a behavior that kills free markets, economic or not. At best it's hypocritical, taking advantage of competition at the market level, but then preventing that competition within your company, then praising one and condemning the other. It's not consistent, platforms need to be platforms…

Corporate sponsorship under pressure from “woke” customers is in fact a manifestation of free markets. These corporations are making editorial decisions based on what their customers want. Right now their customers want less overt coordination of political violence on their platforms. Therefore the platforms are complying.

> Therefore the platforms are complying.

Are you saying companies should comply with whatever market pressures they have regardless of the outcome (given a free market)? Because oil companies have an interesting history of abusing this. Surely there is a line, however blurry, that companies shouldn't be crossing if they want to keep the greater good in mind.

Given that many of these tech "platforms" are worldwide, and have slowly dominated the world's userbase BEFORE changing their policies, it's easy to see they might have already crossed that line, we're just not sure exactly how yet (at least imho).

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Post by Pils »

djsumdog wrote: post #591
Pils wrote: post #395

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> You have Android, iOS and PinePhones. I mean, Parler is a CRUD app. You are posting a comment on another CRUD app that doesn't even have an official mobile app client!

How do you do notifications from a CRUD app on a mobile device if you can't have a native app on the device? Let's not kid ourselves. People rarely use the browser for something they really like on mobile if there is a native app. The experience is very different.

> How do you do notifications from a CRUD app on a mobile device if you can't have a native app on the device?

Facebook and Twitter are older than push notifications. SMS and email are pretty obvious replacements with little functional difference.

> Let's not kid ourselves. People rarely use the browser for something they really like on mobile if there is a native app. The experience is very different.

Sure, but you are pretty clearly moving the goalposts. Is it any more difficult to enter "news.ycombinator.com" into a mobile web browser than it is to download a mobile client?

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

ibejoeb wrote: post #375
dilap wrote: post #341

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I think a better analogy is saying, oh, you've banned newspapers, but who cares, you can still talk to people in person. Which is to say, it's true, & that's a good thing, but that doesn't mean that the censorship itself isn't bad. The most effective, most powerful communication medium that exists right now is native apps for social networks on smartphones. If 100% of that medium is controlled and censored by two com…

> you can still talk to people in person That's practically illegal now, too. What a time to be alive...

Can’t tell if you are joking or if you really believe this.

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Post by neaden »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #625
neaden wrote: post #606

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It was not a symbolic act, it literally happened. People literally died. By people who are literally neo Nazis who literally think I should be murdered, who literally had zip ties and the police are now finding literal pipe bombs. I assure you I am not the one who lost perspective.

"Nazis who literally think I should be murdered" I disagree. I may be wrong, but it would appear that you feel personally attacked. I am not sure how people storming capital AND fighting cops AND leaving pipe bombs in said building want to kill you specifically. I do not see the connection. Are you a staffer/lawmaker/cop there or something? I recognize that tensions are high, but shouting "literally neo Nazis" is not…

They don't want to kill me specifically, they want to kill me because they are Nazis and part of their ideology is that I should die. That's why they wore shirts saying 6 million was not enough or camp Auschwitz prison guard.

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Post by FDSGSG »

lenkite wrote: post #615
mbreese wrote: post #543

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A {hosting, domain, ssl} company doesn’t have to accept another company as a customer. What about the hosting company’s freedom of speech rights? If a hosting company doesn’t want to host your site, that’s their decision. If they don’t want to be associated with a site or app or spend their resources, that’s their decision. These aren’t regulated monopolies that have to serve all customers. Now, if you want to claim…

Ok, Can businesses refuse gays, lesbians and transgenders now ? Can one refuse to serve depending on whether customers are republicans or democrats, white or blacks ? Surely, this should all be just OK by your logic ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group

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Post by wnevets »

setr wrote: post #477
wnevets wrote: post #370

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How about these [1], are they just basic political discourse find on twitter, fb and every other social media system? [1] https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347190280492089344

...yes? What do you think gets posted during basically every political event? BLM, obama election, trump election, biden election, etc... Calls for riot and murder are like the standard go-to on social media, if only because extreme posts gather a lot more steam than anything diluted. I mean shit we just went through 4 years of liberals and conservatives fighting over this shit dramatically all over twitter -- I'm re…

So what exactly is your threshold before Google should be allowed remove a social media platform from their app store?

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Post by scruple »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #638
flunhat wrote: post #443

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Exactly -- I love the pearl-clutching tone of these of slippery-slope complaints: "Just you wait, leftists! One day the power of the state shall be visited upon you, and then you'll see! How would you feel if the government censored you, infiltrated your gatherings, and sidelined you from mainstream society? Hmmmmm?"

> " How would you feel if the government censored you, infiltrated your gatherings, and sidelined you from mainstream society? " It already happened to the left before and it was called the Red Scare of the '50s. It is strange to see the modern left dig up those old repressive practices and adopt the for their own but "those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" I suppose.

The Occupy movement was targeted and that was barely a decade ago.
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