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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by busymom0 »

bjtitus wrote: post #47
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

> Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. Well these last two seem pretty par for the course for illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate. At a certain point the line of absurdity has been crossed at it is not the duty of society to constantly debunk illegitimate claims. > The other side keeps deplatforming them In this particular case, Parler has been host to a num…

Have you read the actual lawsuits which were filed? You are aware the "60 lawsuits being dismissed" is a lie right? Trump campaign only filed 5 lawsuits. The Georgia lawsuit still hasn't even had a judge assigned even though it was filed on December 4th. The TX lawsuit to the SCOTUS - they refused to even hear it.

So how exactly can you say "illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate"?

Thousands of dead people, illegals, underage voters, poll watchers getting kicked out etc and they still want people to believe everything is normal?

Here's an entire list of dead voters from Michigan alone and their obituaries:

https://justpaste.it/8zt04

Can easily be verified here:

https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/Voter/Index/#yourclerk

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EDIT:

It seems like HN has banned me from commenting replies to the reply to this comment.

They have deleted the evidence now. 1 month ago when I tested this, it worked and it specifically gave me this:

CATHERINE,KELLY,1915,48708

Month: April

and it worked:

Absentee ballot Election date 11/3/2020

Application received 10/6/2020

Ballot sent 10/6/2020

Ballot received 10/13/2020

Here's the obituary:

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/catherine-kelly-obitu...

It sounds like MI has now purged the data to hide evidence. Here's the data which was even retrieved using a script.

https://pastebin.com/XEi5Uy6t

I even have saved messages of me showing this to multiple friends of mine.

No, the two dead voters you mentioned is firstly NOT from Michigan, it's from Georgia. Also that two dead voters is also wrong. It's thousands in Georgia but the SOS (who is a Trump hater) refused to even give the list of voters. So they expect the public to just take their word without showing the actual voter rolls. "Trust me, everything's fine, nothing to see here, move along".

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by riwsky »

jpttsn wrote: post #513
riwsky wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“We just assume we’re right.” That’s just it, though: we assume we’re wrong. We audit ourselves. Watch any of the press conferences where the Georgia election officials detailed the extra work they did. It is that we assume we are wrong for the important things, and double check, triple check, that separates our viewpoints from those being deplatformed.

It can’t possibly work like that, logically. Those being deplatformed are as certain as you are that they are right. I’ve been disillusioned about this e.g. in trying to have conversations about religion with believers. No matter how much better I think my case is, they will think their case is just as much superior to mine. For every time I double check my books, they double check theirs. Philosophically, I don’t th…

What are you checking books for? Run experiments. Don’t go to your books about dropping weights off Pisa, just _drop weights off Pisa_. I don’t care what people are certain of: either those weights fall independently of their mass or don’t. If you are treating it like philosophy instead of science, you’ve already lost the thread.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by jpttsn »

bseidensticker wrote: post #534
jpttsn wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I very rarely hear this hope expressed and I struggle to believe it—can you elaborate?

Different poster, but I share the same hope. Most people won't put their life on the line for the revolution if their life is sufficiently comfy. Revolutions only happen when people have no other choice. When it's revolt or die, you revolt. When it's revolt or watch netflix, most people watch netflix. We'll see if it's different this time, but I bet this time will end up like all the other times it has felt like "the…

Thanks for sharing. Some thoughts/rebuttals:

- what if “society just keeps putting along” only until it stops? I heard somewhere that complex empires historically have a life expectancy of ca. 300 years.

- I also heard somewhere that the Arab Srping revolutions took off in full only when the panicked government shut down social media. True or not, it’s an insteresting “what if”. The “panem et circenses” government should maybe think twice about turning off Twitter (in practice) for these subjects, no?

- life looks to be getting less comfy, with COVID. A year ago I would feel more at home in the comfy prosperity argument but today that rings hollow

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by gamblor956 »

lenkite wrote: post #552
caconym_ wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is “the other route”? They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. Their legal cases are being rejected because they have no legal merit. The mainstream media refuse to take them seriously because they have again and again shown themselves to be bad faith actors, peddlers of unsubstantiated conspiracy, outright liars, and so on. I don…

Please remove the blinkers. Dozens of murderous world leaders that regularly espouse violence are still on Twitter but Trump is eliminated. BLM leaders who explicitly called for violence, arson and looting were never "fact-checked". Not until they started openly talking about murdering whites. Face it - this is because the Twitter CEO actively dislikes Trump and has little to do with any sort of violent speech.

Cite even one example of a BLM leader explicitly (or even implicitly) calling for violence, arson, and looting.

Go ahead, I'll wait. You won't find anyone, because it didn't happen.

OTOH, the Proud Boys did explicitly call for violence, arson, and looting during the BLM rights, and their leader admitted as much in a live television interview.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by rendang »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #485
koolba wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’ve been shifting the Overton window for years. Are against open borders? Then you’re a racist. Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. Are for a pro worker visa policy and tariffs on imports? Then you’re a nationalist (which isn’t even a bad word but they make it sound like one) Are for the right to bear arms? Then you’re an uneducated hillbilly. Are for churches and other religious institutions to decid…

> Are against open borders? Then you’re a racist. An infinitesimal part of the population and debate around border/immigration policy favors open borders. The framing of anything remotely mainstream as “open borders” definitely strikes me as a likely sign of racism. > Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. Yes. This is correct. > Are for a pro worker visa policy and tariffs on imports? Then you’re a national…

Declining to enforce the borders by deporting those not authorized to be here is de facto pretty similar to "open borders".

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by rufus_foreman »

colinmhayes wrote: post #507
zests wrote: post #439

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How do you decide which of the violent and/or damaging speeches to deplatform? I see nothing done except “use tribalism to decide.”

Exactly what we're doing now. Democracy. The people vote with their wallet.

So Hamilton, not Jefferson.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by gamblor956 »

busymom0 wrote: post #561
bjtitus wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. Well these last two seem pretty par for the course for illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate. At a certain point the line of absurdity has been crossed at it is not the duty of society to constantly debunk illegitimate claims. > The other side keeps deplatforming them In this particular case, Parler has been host to a num…

Have you read the actual lawsuits which were filed? You are aware the "60 lawsuits being dismissed" is a lie right? Trump campaign only filed 5 lawsuits. The Georgia lawsuit still hasn't even had a judge assigned even though it was filed on December 4th. The TX lawsuit to the SCOTUS - they refused to even hear it. So how exactly can you say "illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate"? Thousands of dead people,…

A random check of about a dozen names from the pasted list found that the voter either did not exist, or was no longer registered to vote on account of being dead...

There were two people who had obituaries that showed up in the voter rolls...twice. In both cases, a quick lookup in the phone book suggests that two people with the same name (but different initials) live in the state.

So, thanks for the example that the Michigan election rolls are correct?

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by jackson1442 »

busymom0 wrote: post #561
bjtitus wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. Well these last two seem pretty par for the course for illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate. At a certain point the line of absurdity has been crossed at it is not the duty of society to constantly debunk illegitimate claims. > The other side keeps deplatforming them In this particular case, Parler has been host to a num…

Have you read the actual lawsuits which were filed? You are aware the "60 lawsuits being dismissed" is a lie right? Trump campaign only filed 5 lawsuits. The Georgia lawsuit still hasn't even had a judge assigned even though it was filed on December 4th. The TX lawsuit to the SCOTUS - they refused to even hear it. So how exactly can you say "illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate"? Thousands of dead people,…

I'm not in a place to practice google-fu, but if I'm remembering correctly, wasn't the Texas lawsuit not heard by the USSC because they didn't follow the protocol necessary to have a case heard by the USSC?

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by busymom0 »

Few decades ago, us brown, blacks, gays, jews etc were banned and anyone defending them was destroyed. Now people are forgetting that conservatives are the new group going through the same. They are the modern group being targeted as "don't buy from the jews".

Once this is all over, everyone will simply look back and wonder "Hmmm, I can't believe people did this to them. But it surely can't happen again." Typical human nature.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by misun78 »

caconym_ wrote: post #191
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

What is “the other route”? They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. Their legal cases are being rejected because they have no legal merit. The mainstream media refuse to take them seriously because they have again and again shown themselves to be bad faith actors, peddlers of unsubstantiated conspiracy, outright liars, and so on. I don…

The person who posted is still active on Twitter - https://www.deccanherald.com/sites/dh/files/styles/article_d...

Double standard much?

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