FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests • Hacker News Board

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

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Post by Ericson2314 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:01 AM UTC

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #17

I can't help but wonder. Anyone watching the political scene over the past years knew a tipping point is very much at hand. It just was not clear whether it will be BLM, Antifa, Bogaloos, or Trump disciples. The fact that something this big was ignored suggests that it was from beginning seen as not a threat ( Trump being known for 'big talk, no action' ). Alternatively, if one is inclined to think along darker lines…

Your both sides equivocation ignore the fact that only causes cops support are given this treatment.

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

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Post by guscost » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:01 AM UTC

jcranmer wrote: post #47

guscost wrote: post #36

But the police also rejected offers of federal help: https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-hel... Propaganda war to escape the blame, DC municipality against feds? Something else?

The US Capitol Police is a federal agency. The Park Police is another federal police force that has concurrent jurisdiction over the area. DC's police is the Metropolitan Police of DC, which has oversight by the DC municipal authority instead of direct federal authority.

Ah, feds against feds. Totally plausible!

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

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Post by PHGamer » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:01 AM UTC

avs733 wrote: post #6

Let’s be blunt... because white people. This is the same thing that happened in Charlottesville and the after action review of Charlottesville made that clear. No one listened. The need here isn’t more police or more training or more gear. Any of those things would just be used to harm people of color and low income communities. What needs to happen is people stop being taken in by bad faith arguments about “free spe…

blame race... ok.. racist! there were black , jew and asian protesters there as well.

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

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Post by avs733 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:01 AM UTC

whoisburbansky wrote: post #14

avs733 wrote: post #6

Let’s be blunt... because white people. This is the same thing that happened in Charlottesville and the after action review of Charlottesville made that clear. No one listened. The need here isn’t more police or more training or more gear. Any of those things would just be used to harm people of color and low income communities. What needs to happen is people stop being taken in by bad faith arguments about “free spe…

Worse than that, the FBI has known for a decade and a half that white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement was and would continue to be a huge problem. [1] 1. https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house....

The fbi didn’t screw this up the capital police is. It’s not like they were hamstrung by dhs...they were ready for BLM marches

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:01 AM UTC

avs733 wrote: post #6

Let’s be blunt... because white people. This is the same thing that happened in Charlottesville and the after action review of Charlottesville made that clear. No one listened. The need here isn’t more police or more training or more gear. Any of those things would just be used to harm people of color and low income communities. What needs to happen is people stop being taken in by bad faith arguments about “free spe…

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Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

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Post by stagger87 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:01 AM UTC

vkou wrote: post #35

avs733 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which at that point was probably the correct decision. What’s the other option? Get overwhelmed by the crowd or attacked from behind?

Gas, less-lethal bullets, flashbangs. The stuff I've been seeing a few blocks away for most of the summer. All of those things are really good at dispersing crowds.

Gas, flashbangs, and guns were used at the Capital on the 6th.

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

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Post by jollofricepeas » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:01 AM UTC

whoisburbansky wrote: post #14

avs733 wrote: post #6

Let’s be blunt... because white people. This is the same thing that happened in Charlottesville and the after action review of Charlottesville made that clear. No one listened. The need here isn’t more police or more training or more gear. Any of those things would just be used to harm people of color and low income communities. What needs to happen is people stop being taken in by bad faith arguments about “free spe…

Worse than that, the FBI has known for a decade and a half that white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement was and would continue to be a huge problem. [1] 1. https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house....

I get the irony of paraphrasing Mark Twain here but “Truth is definitely stranger than fiction” minus the large, omnipotent blue man and raining squid.

https://www.hbo.com/watchmen

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

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Post by Pils » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:01 AM UTC

grapehut wrote: post #16

logicslave wrote: post #3

Theres a video of the police letting the protesters into the capitol. They opened the door and are standing to the side EDIT: I urge people to go watch the video. My opinion is that many walking in thought it was a protest and was just something the group was doing.

I thought it was odd how it seemed like the majority of the people were walking as if they were going on a tour of the capitol and not like they were a violent mob. It'll be interesting to see what more comes out of the wtf bad capitol security.

This is speculation, but apparently there were protesters on both the civilian entrance side as well as the promenade (where you saw the protesters scaling walls). When the protesters breached the promenade entrance, I assume there was some sort of stand down orders for the police at the civilian entrance, presumably so that the officers wouldn't get pinched.

Hence the weird dual screen of protesters breaking through windows/protesters staying within the cordons. They weren't part of the same cohort.

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

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Post by flippinburgers » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:01 AM UTC

avs733 wrote: post #6

Let’s be blunt... because white people. This is the same thing that happened in Charlottesville and the after action review of Charlottesville made that clear. No one listened. The need here isn’t more police or more training or more gear. Any of those things would just be used to harm people of color and low income communities. What needs to happen is people stop being taken in by bad faith arguments about “free spe…

See what you want to see.

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

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Post by PHGamer » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:02 AM UTC

Ericson2314 wrote: post #43

jonnyone wrote: post #27

That was the strangest aspect of Wednesday to me. They knew there was going to be a huge rally that day. Surely that alone would warrant beefed up security. And the idea that it was just because "they're white people" doesn't add up - even if that were their logic, it was a pro-Trump rally, wouldn't they expect counter-protesters? Weren't there weeks of Proud Boy/Antifa scuffles and violence directly preceding this?…

They are white people and the cops support their cause . The cops are racist, but they also wouldn't be this friendly had a white leftist protest escalated.

oh please. plenty of cops bent the knee for the BLM protests and stood by as stuff happened. some cops want to crack heads, some cops think attacking the mob will make things worse.