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Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by adkadskhj »

SpaceRaccoon wrote: post #485
valuearb wrote: post #359

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If you must have a native mobile app, you can download it from alternative stores. Or Parlour can just distribute as a web app. Businesses don’t have any right to force other businesses to carry their products.

> Or Parlour can just distribute as a web app. Okay. Then hosting providers refuse to host. Payment processors refuse to process your payments for web services. Your domains are revoked. Your SSL certs are revoked. Where does this end? If they have the power to, and they've justified it this far, why wouldn't they keep going?

This is the natural possibility of closed systems we all subscribe to. Your ISP is only one government call away from disconnecting you.

The answer is relying on corporate sponsored freedoms is not enough. Open source tools and communication technologies need to be available.

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

serf wrote: post #494
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #267

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How can the bans (being de-platformed) be more horrific than the actual violence that's occurred?

by inciting more violence through disenfranchisement of desperate individuals. it's a pretty common occurrence, historically.

I would be humbled by data that proved or rejected the idea that disenfranchisement of actors who organize violence from mainstream platforms actually prevents or reduces its occurrence.

There's a fair point to be made that they'll move on elsewhere, but what if that slightly increased barrier friction is enough to stop them? No harm, no fowl, if that's the case. We traded a small bit of free speech for public safety, the ROI looks good, if it's so.

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Post by rufus_foreman »

kortilla wrote: post #12

It’s pretty coincidental that all of these tech companies are having epiphanies simultaneously now that Democrats will control the house/senate/and presidency. The interesting question is whether they are doing it out fear of anti trust action from Democrats or weren’t doing it for the last four years out of fear of Republicans.

Follow the money.

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Post by sawjet »

modriano wrote: post #446
djsumdog wrote: post #132

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The purge has been happening for years. I hate how people on HN is praising this. There are literally few alternatives for the average person apart from Google and eyeProducts. I have a PinePhone, but what percentage of America can truly put in the effort to use one? If you cannot install an run your own software on a device, you do not own the device. You cannot praise the removal of Gab or Parlor now and complain l…

Are you at all worried about the possibility that America could have another civil war because a sufficiently large proportion of Americans are radicalized in uncensored, insufficiently moderated communities? Facebook's own research found “64% of all extremist group joins are due to our recommendation tools” and that most of the activity came from the platform’s “Groups You Should Join” and “Discover” algorithms: “Ou…

Welcome to the streisand effect. Big tech has effectively silenced 80m Americans and Parker and other alternative wrongspeak will grow much faster now.

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Post by djsumdog »

nathankunicki wrote: post #363
djsumdog wrote: post #327

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But it's different. There was a time when anyone could start a newspaper. There was a time when people had FM transmitters in their backyard. It became more expensive and the FCC started slicing up FM spectrum so everyone wouldn't trample over each other. Media was once free and then collapse to be owned by ABC, NBC, CBS and a few dozen newspapers. This was originally about network neutrality, but it applies to what…

Anyone can start a social media network. Twitter has competition in the form of the relatively-new Parler, which has welcomed controversial voices - and has gained significant traction among them. You can feel free to create your own too. Social media platforms existed before Twitter and Facebook, and eventually other platforms will succeed Twitter and Facebook. Can it be expensive to start a company from scratch? Ye…

It's cheap to start a social network. I run a Pleroma and a Mastodon server and you can find the links in my profile.

But don't fool yourself into thinking my little instances have any sort of effect compared to the big mega-corps of Google/Facebook and Twitter.

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Post by wnevets »

whiddershins wrote: post #408
wnevets wrote: post #56

Here are some of the screenshots [1] from Paler since Wednesday. Please let me know if you think Google is making a mistake or not. [1] https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/13473740754552299...

Ah, we’ve had nonsense like that all over the internet for decades. Liberal pundits are saying similar about conservatives ... elected officials call for disruption in the street, 4chan has crazy stuff, yaddha yaddha. We have incitement and conspiracy laws. We have an FBI and Secret Service that really take this stuff seriously and are well financed. If anything these posts make it easier for them to keep an eye on t…

>Ah, we’ve had nonsense like that all over the internet for decades.

and how many times has that led to storming the US Capitol building with guns and bombs?

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Post by 3np »

jessedhillon wrote: post #354
anonacct38 wrote: post #151

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If wal-mart stops selling a brand of ice cream, is that censorship? Is it censorship that wal-mart doesn't sell playboy in their store? If not, then why is the removal of an app from the app store censorship? The world wide web still exists. Parler is still on the internet. Seems like there should be some acknowledgement that there's a difference between refusing to actively participate in distributing content and ce…

Suppose Google releases an update to Chrome that prevents it from loading problematic websites. What really is the difference, in your mind, between removal from the app store and what I described? Or would you also find that scenario acceptable?

The difference would be that in the Play Store, Google hosts the app. They haven't blocked anything per se, just removed it from the server. It'd be more like them kicking problematic we sites off GCP and Firebase, which I don't like but can totally see happening.

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Post by beirut_bootleg »

Darmody wrote: post #480
CubsFan1060 wrote: post #292

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That tweet is unavailable now. Was it moderated by chance?

I don't know if it was removed by him or by twitter. But still. Get on twitter and you'll see many similar comments and accounts that encouraged violence and defended rioters this whole past year. If you're going to be tough on people like that, don't cherry pick.

There is a moderation team that deals with these. It's on the users' to report them. You can't expect moderation to catch 100%. GP is the one who is cherry-picking.

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Post by PHGamer »

driverdan wrote: post #387
post_break wrote: post #4

Wow, is this the great purge? I don’t support certain people, but man I don’t think this is going to end well. This censorship just seems crazy to me.

Have you bothered to look at the content on Parler? It's full of speech that is not protected by the US 1st, such as threats to kill political leaders and eminent calls for violence. There are also tons of neo-Nazis calling for the deaths of Jews and other minorities. Parler need to remove this content. This isn't Google and Apple censoring political views. It's a demand for Parler to remove illegal content.

what is illegal content? trump was telling protesters to go home the day of but they cancelled his account.
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