Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store • Hacker News Board

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:26 AM UTC

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #267

djsumdog wrote: post #132

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The purge has been happening for years. I hate how people on HN is praising this. There are literally few alternatives for the average person apart from Google and eyeProducts. I have a PinePhone, but what percentage of America can truly put in the effort to use one? If you cannot install an run your own software on a device, you do not own the device. You cannot praise the removal of Gab or Parlor now and complain l…

How can the bans (being de-platformed) be more horrific than the actual violence that's occurred?

Easy. Tech giants have means to control all public speech and information exchange. -> they ally with political party -> ensure they win elections, fairly or whatever, no one will be able to tell the story that votes are counted unfairly -> install an unremovable authoritarian dictatorship. Which might have imitation elections & stuff, just like USSR had.

And then, 'correction' camps for people that do not fully fit this new beautiful society.

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Post by blisterpeanuts » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:26 AM UTC

newacct583 wrote: post #196

eplanit wrote: post #144

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In Portland, too, right?

That's whataboutism and conflation. It's possible to believe that BLM-related vandalism and anarchism is bad and that an attack on congress is bad. But... sorry, a direct attack on a joint session of congress that forces the lawmakers and VP to be evacuated is WORSE than what happened in Portland. This country can tolerate another bunch of fires and broken statues outside the Portland Federal Courthouse. I don't thin…

It wasn't exactly an attack; it was a bunch of protesters, trespassing into the building during a very important session. Illegal and wrong, mind you, but hardly a terrorist attack that it's being painted as. A group of kooks and extremists who should have, and could have, been kept out by proper policing. The Capitol police really screwed up.

Actually in a way it's good that it happened; exposed some major security holes. Not good that they shot an unarmed woman, though.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:26 AM UTC

txsoftwaredev wrote: post #114

Twitter has been used to organize riots. How is allowed to remain on the app store?

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Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by ecocentrik » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:26 AM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #258

jackson1442 wrote: post #177

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Did the BLM riots promote sedition? That's probably why. Also worth noting that there was no property damage or injuries in more than 97 to 98% of protests[1] [1]: https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-di...

Wherein 100 people spilling over a barrier into a government building (and one of them getting shot to death) is somehow worse than the aforementioned billions in property damage and assaults on cops, smashed police cars, passersby attacked, stores looted, fires set... in 12 different cities around the nation?

Yes, context is important. The building is The Capital of a government and their aim was overthrowing that government by disrupting the democratic transfer of power. You can pretend that computers weren't stolen from congressional offices and that bombs weren't planted in the building, but playing dumb is a weak defense.

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Post by colmvp » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:26 AM UTC

djsumdog wrote: post #293

anonacct38 wrote: post #151

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If wal-mart stops selling a brand of ice cream, is that censorship? Is it censorship that wal-mart doesn't sell playboy in their store? If not, then why is the removal of an app from the app store censorship? The world wide web still exists. Parler is still on the internet. Seems like there should be some acknowledgement that there's a difference between refusing to actively participate in distributing content and ce…

You have Wal-Mart, Target, Wal-greens, CVS, BestBuy, MicroCenter, tons of mom-and-pop stores (until all the world leaders drove all of them to bankruptcy due to COVID) Say you had two stores: Walmarket and Toget. That's it. That's all you got. Toget stops telling a brand of ice cream and you literally cannot sell it anywhere else other than Toget and Walmarket because someone would have to drive 2 hours out of their…

To be honest I really dislike this analogy.

Where I live there is indeed no importer of certain brands of products that I could easily get in the US. Not even an equivalent alternative.

But life goes on and aside from me complaining about it on the internet every now and then I don’t let it bother me.

Social media and communication are a different beast.

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Post by neogodless » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:27 AM UTC

txsoftwaredev wrote: post #114

Twitter has been used to organize riots. How is allowed to remain on the app store?

I'll provide my third result[0] from my google search "evidence twitter used to organize riots."

Can you please provide some sources for this claim?

Additionally, this may help clarify some things. [1]

[0] https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-antifa-twitter-...

[1] https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by driverdan » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:27 AM UTC

post_break wrote: post #4

Wow, is this the great purge? I don’t support certain people, but man I don’t think this is going to end well. This censorship just seems crazy to me.

Have you bothered to look at the content on Parler? It's full of speech that is not protected by the US 1st, such as threats to kill political leaders and eminent calls for violence. There are also tons of neo-Nazis calling for the deaths of Jews and other minorities.

Parler need to remove this content. This isn't Google and Apple censoring political views. It's a demand for Parler to remove illegal content.

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Post by zests » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:27 AM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #370

setr wrote: post #224

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I'm basically seeing 4 posts about "kill " and otherwise standard speeches... and then someone later posts screenshots about Jan 20 re-org posted on twitter.. It seems like the basic political discourse you find on twitter, fb and every other social media system, both red and blue posters, at pretty much the same level of intelligence; I'm really not seeing anything there that doesn't equally merit the banning of, we…

How about these [1], are they just basic political discourse find on twitter, fb and every other social media system? [1] https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347190280492089344

Social media is universally terrible, you might be the last one to notice.

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Post by russianbandit » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:27 AM UTC

anonacct38 wrote: post #151

post_break wrote: post #4

Wow, is this the great purge? I don’t support certain people, but man I don’t think this is going to end well. This censorship just seems crazy to me.

If wal-mart stops selling a brand of ice cream, is that censorship? Is it censorship that wal-mart doesn't sell playboy in their store? If not, then why is the removal of an app from the app store censorship? The world wide web still exists. Parler is still on the internet. Seems like there should be some acknowledgement that there's a difference between refusing to actively participate in distributing content and ce…

We did this to ourselves by integrating Google/Apple products into our every day life. 20-15 years ago we didn’t have any of it and still led mighty fine lives. Yes, private companies are free to do this stuff to us, but we only have ourselves to blame.

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Post by chrispeel » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:27 AM UTC

dilap wrote: post #341

anonacct38 wrote: post #151

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If wal-mart stops selling a brand of ice cream, is that censorship? Is it censorship that wal-mart doesn't sell playboy in their store? If not, then why is the removal of an app from the app store censorship? The world wide web still exists. Parler is still on the internet. Seems like there should be some acknowledgement that there's a difference between refusing to actively participate in distributing content and ce…

I think a better analogy is saying, oh, you've banned newspapers, but who cares, you can still talk to people in person. Which is to say, it's true, & that's a good thing, but that doesn't mean that the censorship itself isn't bad. The most effective, most powerful communication medium that exists right now is native apps for social networks on smartphones. If 100% of that medium is controlled and censored by two com…

Nonsense.

The better analogy is that the newspaper has banned certain people who have written articles inciting violence.

Or maybe an even better analogy: the movie theater has taken the microphone away from the person telling those in the crowded movie theater to start punching each other.