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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by pixelpoet »

Like others in this thread, I'm worried about the extremely weak way this is presented. The deleted video where he outright lies about having won and even says "we love you" to the rioters would have been far, far more appropriate.

Now Trump supporters will focus on to this (which, it pains me to say, is kinda fair) and all hope of a more nuanced discussion of the much more valid reasons is out the window.

sigh You'd imagine a company the size and importance of Twitter would have someone there to do a half decent job of this...

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by russellbeattie »

Finally. Should have happened five years ago.

I deleted all my tweets years ago and now just have a zombie account to keep my username until Twitter disappears into oblivion where it belongs. I encourage you to reward their fecklessness by doing the same.

https://tweetdelete.net/

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by nxc18 »

busymom0 wrote: post #190

Question for everyone who's saying "private platform can do whatever." You are against the FDA, EPA, Net Neutrality etc? And how about the baker who refused to bake cake for the gay couple for religious reasons.

Can you point to a regulatory body Twitter is beholden to?

Maybe ask your congress to set one up. Or maybe ask that “enemy of the United States” and “seditionist” become legally protected categories like sex and race etc.

Republicans (who Trump leads) have been in control of government for years. If they wanted special protections they should have made them.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by rootusrootus »

yanderekko wrote: post #244
ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

>It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. It's clear that people are trying to make this into a cultural moment where you either distance from / renounce Trump (which is almost costless given the immanency of his term's end…

It may be that there is in fact a line that you can cross where the general public becomes significantly less apathetic.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by option »

allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

most Americans never lived in a totalitarian state. Totalitarian state starts when the freedom of speech is gone.

It would be a humongous loss to weaken or lose freedom of speech.

As someone who lived in USSR, I am am always on the side of the freedom of speech. Of course I never supported Trump, but I think the consequences of normalizing censorship will be far more damaging then whatever he has to say.

Once you’ve lived in a totalitarian state it is obvious. I hope people who didn’t live in such states would look at the world history and learn.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

dageshi wrote: post #269
postalrat wrote: post #132

When /r/the_donald got booted off reddit they got together and created https://thedonald.win/ . All this action from twitter will do is create an opportunity for a different or new site to host trump's comments. And for many people, and maybe someday the majority of people, that new site may be more trustworthy than twitter.

Nope. They will never police themselves to the extent that they had too on reddit. Anyone stumbling into them who wasn't already heavily inclined to their cause will bounce off from the sheer nastiness of the place. Being on reddit forced them to tone down and memeify to the point where they were kinda entertaining in the beginning, that's what drew a lot of people in. thedonald.win will end up like another infowars…

How exactly is TheDonald.win "sheer nasty"? Give some examples. I've perused that site and there's a lot of outrage at how the President has been treated, true, but I don't see much nasty.

Then again, free speech can seem ugly, when you're used to a carefully curated kind of controlled speech.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by danijelb »

dmitrygr wrote: post #198

I am no trump fan, but reading the two tweets that got him suspended confuses me. Neither of those two tweets encourages violence in any way. What am i missing? The two listed tweets are: “The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!” and…

That's just an excuse. I suspect the actual reason for banning him is for hundreds of tweets he made during the last four years for which a normal user would be banned, but he was protected against banning for "public interest" (read: additional traffic to Twitter). These two tweets are just a lame excuse. It would be better if they were honest about the reasons for the ban. But let's be real - no matter what he tweeted now at the end of his presidency he would be banned on Jan 20th. They just sped up the decision a little bit because of what happened few days ago.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by young_unixer »

I find This whole "incitement to violence is bad" thing to be nonsensical.

Political speech is practically always incitement to violence:

According to Weber, the state is a "human community that (successfully) claims the monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force within a given territory." [1]

And political discussions are about what the state should do (executive decisions, laws, etc), that is, in which cases it should coerce people, who should it coerce, and what should it do with the result of that coercion (e.g. taxes). Coercion ultimately leads to violence if the coerced individual doesn't surrender.

So, I can't take this "incitement to violence is bad" thing seriously. Because if they truly believed that, then all political speech should be banned.

[1] https://www.britannica.com/topic/state-monopoly-on-violence

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