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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by runarberg »

plumeria wrote: post #116

Will politicians continue using Twitter et al after this? Seems a bit risky to reach out to their followers using a third-party. Why don’t they have their own website?

I’m not a politician, but I’m guessing: yes.

I don’t see a reason why most mainstream politicians need to distance them self from this platform in light of this. I’m sure most main stream politicians do not associate them self with the type of rhetoric that got Trump kicked form the platform, and are fine with continuing to use it.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by webel0 »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #54

Is it just my perception, or is their actual justification using the 2 quoted tweets kinda weak? Interpreting his boycott of an event as a call to violence seems like a huge stretch. It seems like they wanted to shoehorn a justification using his 2 latest tweets when the actual reason goes back further.

This was my exact initial reaction.

However, suppose that Bill Clinton, George Bush, or Barack Obama had declined to attend the inauguration of there predecessors. That would surely trigger a crisis worthy of de-platforming. We’ve become somewhat numb to this sort of thing.

I guess my second draft would have said, “We’ve allowed DJT a platform because he is the President of the United States. In light of all that he has said on Twitter over the last 10+ years, though, he is guilty of inciting hate and violence among his followers. [Cite myriad tweets and cases.] We were going to wait until he left office to suspend his account. In light of his most recent tweets indicating that he would not attend the inauguration, we think it prudent to move up this timeline...”

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by lumpenprole »

dhjdjdjdndhdbs wrote: post #101

I fear REAL violence is coming. If people feel trapped and their voices aren’t heard it is just going to create a spring release. Like a cornered animal. These political activist employees and executives are going to get real people killed in the name of owning the President. Everyone on every side is so wrong here it is heart breaking. Trump has truly broken both the Left and the Right’s minds of this country.

"Real people" already got killed. Might be time to put down the Both Sides bong.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by hk__2 »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #168

Okay, let's retroactively suspend John McCain for singing "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran" on a hot mike. President George W. Bush should be suspended for invading Iraq on false or flimsy pretexts, resulting in 6,000 American soldiers killed and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Obama lied when he said "you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan" eleven times and this turned out not to be true (90% anyway). Sh…

That’s not censorship (private companies, etc), and reducing the flow of harmful communication is a good thing.

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Post by redisman »

stephenhess wrote: post #211

As much as I love not having to see Trump on Twitter now.. the future of social media is going to be fully decentralized and distributed (whether we like it or not). The Free World will need a much better immune response to this kind of radicalization than deplatforming people.

Hopefully the future for social media is a quick death. Let’s move on to something a bit more productive

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Post by im3w1l »

arentyouspecial wrote: post #139
anandchat wrote: post #11

Violate the terms, get banned. That's fair.

Trumps free to go to parlor or some other right wing dumpster fire.

But Apple just threatened to ban Parler. If you want to play this little charade at least try to keep up.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by Legion »

allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

> You should counter bad arguments with better arguments

We've witnessed the fallacy of this argument. It assumes a level of rationality that has been proven to be unreasonable to assume. The problem isn't that "better" arguments aren't reaching people. Rather, we have watched people exercise an incredible ability to discard overwhelming evidence and embrace narratives that have literally zero evidence to support them (or, in fact, have been repeatedly disproven and debunked).

In that kind of environment, "counter bad arguments with better arguments" is hopelessly naive.

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