The cynic in me can't help but notice that all these platforms are suddenly growing a backbone now that we know Democrats will control both the executive and legislative branches.
It's a terrible situation (be it any side) with such power.
Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”
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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”
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It may be shocking, but sometimes companies try to make decisions that benefit them in the long run. Even advertising companies! It makes sense that a toxic environment will turn off people in the long run, and most well intentioned people (ie the majority of Reddit, Google, or FB employees) want to run a platform that adds value and is not a cesspool. The realities of staying in business sometimes override that. I d…
>It makes sense that a toxic environment will turn off people in the long run, and most well intentioned people (ie the majority of Reddit, Google, or FB employees) want to run a platform that adds value and is not a cesspool. I don't think this is supported by the evidence. The evidence: the current state of Twitter, Facebook, etc. None of them have the necessary level of moderation and until they do, they will cont…
I don't think it's clear those communities are cesspools, while agreeing there are toxic waste dumps in each of them. I also think it's hard for an outsider to look at these giants and generalize our opinions to evaluate their internal priorities.
Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”
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All of the alleged "fraud" is easy to debunk with a bit of google searching. You refuse to do so, so I question your agenda. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/04/facebook-p...
You literally didn't read some combination of my sources, my comment, or the article you linked, and they prove you false. The article you linked says that the ballots were processed "legally". I explicitly said that they were probably processed legally, but intentionally deceitfully. The article says that a claim that was debunked was that the ballots were kept in "suitcases". I never claimed that they were - nor do…
The Chief Investigator of Georgia's SoS had this to say in a sworn affidavit:
https://news.yahoo.com/georgias-top-election-investigator-de...
I'm all for transparency, verification, and audits, and think we need to ditch all electronics and go all paper, with tons of observation, but there's no there there in all this "fraud". If you are propagating this now it is because you have an agenda oblique to democracy.
Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”
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Were you scared of the women’s March murdering you after they “stormed” the capitol? https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20
This comment is why having this discussion is so difficult. To anyone not invested emotionally in this conversation, it's clear that your point isn't making a valid point. They are not equivalent actions. You're pretending they are to try to lend cover to the truly harmful action that just took place. We can call a spade a spade without pretending that everything else is also a spade. To be clear, I am directly sayin…
How are they not equivalent? Both were organized protests intended on occupying the capitol for the sake of airing out their political grievances. What truly harmful action took place that was caused by the protestors? Be specific.
The only difference that in can see is that during the 1/6/21 event, the police were called in. They attacked and killed 4 protestors.
Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”
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>Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet. Service-providers giving the boot to « problematic » users is as far as I know as old as the Internet.
That's not really true. The early-ish internet saw plenty of, say, communists peering with Hayek libertarians inside Exodus cages, and other such unexpected arrangements. You also had LUGs, lan parties, BBSs and IRC channels that had very diverse users, but tolerated, and even thrived on, offensive speech and trolls. The community's glue was love of the technology and the medium, with political, ethnic, or other trib…
Not to mention many of us would be quick to identify the people in the logs as fucking crazy people, only to realize we're reading words written by our teenage selves.
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There were 2-3 guys with pistols between congress and the mob. It only would have taken a minimally organized armed group, or even one person with an AR-15 to inflict casualties on congress and/or take it hostage.
From Wikipedia (I know...): > Many scholars consider a coup d'état successful when the usurpers seize and hold power for at least seven days. They didn't seize and hold power for any time whatsoever. They had no plan. They had no organization. They did not execute a plot in any way. They were rioters. There was nothing close to what could be constituted as overthrowing of the government.
Not interested in a pedantic argument. The initial comment implied an overreaction to this incident. The president incited a mob to attack Congress. The mob was beyond anyone's control for several hours and there very easily could have been bloodshed. The president declined to condemn the mob (or did so with obvious winks and nods).
What am I missing? Are you suggesting there was no reason for alarm?
Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”
#797You know what scares the shit out of me, to use your phrasing? The people on that site murdering me or overthrowing the government, so that they seize power and elections end or become irrelevant. “The free Internet” has value, but it’s not the only thing that has value. When it conflicts with other values, then there has to be a nuanced resolution.
This is the paradox of tolerance. We can tolerate having a free internet but if it leads to the intolerant taking over and making everything worse, we need to be intolerant of them now, not later.
Is the irony that this cuts both ways not obvious? Seems very clear; the left thinks the right is intolerant and must be silenced, the right thinks the left is intolerant and must be hobbled. The twist is that both sides are absolutely correct: the other side is intolerant.
The Paradox of Tolerance is a great game theory exercise, just like Mutually Assured Destruction, but I'd prefer to live in a society where we don't lean into these strategies with our foot on the gas.
Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”
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Popularity does not imply morality. 46.8% of people voted for Donald Trump (not "quite literally 1/2"), a man who is a known fraud, morally bankrupt in business and personal life, and who has shown himself to be incompetent in office. People who voted for Donald Trump should be ashamed of their vote. That said, reading what people are saying in an effort to understand and to de-radicalize is not something to be asham…
Hopefully the wonderful moderators on this board reprimand you for posting political flamebait and attempting to use hacker news for political or ideological battle.
I hope the wonderful moderators don’t just censor anyone who happens to say something you don’t agree with or hurts your feelings.
Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”
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You say these things as if they are not facts. BLM was protesting the injustice of systematic oppression that results in black people bejng murdered by police. 93% of the protests were entirely peaceful. In the other 7%, it is not clear if the violence was instigated by citizens or police. On the right, you have people who storm the US fucking Capitol building while they are confirming the next POTUS. They were tryin…
> On the right, you have people who storm the US fucking Capitol building while they are confirming the next POTUS. Could you directly address that time back in June when armed BLM protestors stormed Capitol Hill in Seattle and kicked out all the police for a month?[0] Why does that event get a pass in the context of this conversation? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Autonomous_Zone
CHAZ was awful, a complete failure for everyone involved. Police escalated during protests, then when it got too hot, they pulled a LA Riots style retreat. Protesters became violent and undercut the moral fiber of their message, going from patriots to criminals very quickly.
My understanding was the police decided to withdraw from the area due to the intensity. It looks like the Seattle people rejected law enforcement, but weren't trying to overthrow the government.
Not all violence is equal. Overthrowing the US federal government because you didn't win is very different than CHAZ. Both can be disgusting while acknowledging that FEDERAL INSURRECTION AND ATTACKING DEMOCRACY IS WORSE THAN CHAZ.
Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”
#800I've been having this argument more and more lately. People keep coming around to "surely, we must prevent *THIS* content?" and every time the answer is no. Somehow, we seem to be forgetting how free speech benefits us all , but only when it is categorically FREE and there are not exceptions "just this one time" Why just the other day, I had friends blow up on me for daring to suggest that a particular type of bigote…
You, like a lot of other people, confuse free speech with "but mom, the other kids won't let me play with them!". Actually the only threat to freedom is trying to imply that a company or any other association or institution ought to be compelled to host someone else's speech.
Being able to kick the idiots out and not compelling other people to amplify their nonsense is a basic mechanism of any society that wants to function.
Also the free exchange of ideas isn't a prerequisite for a just world, it's the consequence of a just system. You can "free exchange of ideas" yourself into a gulag if the population is dumb enough. Exchanging ideas is a process that can go as wrong as it can go right, it's a process, not a set of values.
What built the just institutions you like in the US were semi-aristocratic founding fathers, I went to school in a school system that was built in Prussia, colloquially called "a military with a country", and the civic code in France was written by Napoleon. People in Singapore are prosperous because Lee Kuan Yew had his wits together, not because they enjoy a lot of free exchange of ideas.
It's sane and capable elites building lasting institutions that afford you the luxury of free exchange of ideas, even if this offends the egalitarian myth that is popular in the US. Sorry to say it, but mom, pops and Donald Trump being able to post on Twitter doesn't built functioning states.