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Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by pkrznaric »

jjkaczor wrote: post #349
Bedon292 wrote: post #256

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While not congress, so I can't say for sure, I have been around government and other enterprise systems. Some measures they had in place: - Disabled USB Ports (except whitelisted peripherals) - User accounts don't have permission to install anything at all - If you plug a deceive with a different mac address than expected into an ethernet port the port locks down until a sysadmin verifies it and manually unlocks it -…

Probably (let's hope - but, if I have seen anything in the last 4-years, it has been a constant, non-stop erosion of competency in the US government) - and, most likely the insurgents just didn't plan anything "long-term" or tricky. Question though... Don't hardware-based keyloggers present as a "keyboard", and isn't that a generic device which would probably be whitelisted?

At my old job, even if you plugged a generic keyboard that you'd already been using with the computer into the wrong USB port it wouldn't work. I believe you can set this stuff all up to be looking for very specific pieces of hardware on specific USB ports.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by rhino369 »

thelean12 wrote: post #110
rhino369 wrote: post #47

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Firing on a mob is risky as hell and not morally clear. I can't blame Capitol Police--at least for the actions after it already got out of hand. If federal security at Court House shoots BLM protestors who are entering a federal court house, those security people would probably get charged with murder. It's unreasonable to expect Capitol Police to make that sort of moral choice in the moment. And if you give cops the…

> Firing on a mob is risky as hell and not morally clear. Why do people jump to the most extreme side of things in discussions now a days? There are many many many ways to disperse of a crowd that doesn't involve firing live rounds at a crowd. In fact: they were able to do it later! Tear gas, flash bangs, barricades, rubber bullets. None of these were used until well after they made it inside.

Because the security shown on all the videos don't appear to have those ready. That sort of gear isn't typically equipped.

So its sort of irrelevant to what police who were suddenly asked to hold a door from a violent mob.

With hindsight they should have had teargas ready. But they probably didn't expect the President to direct a mob to capture the Capitol.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by FireBeyond »

mimikatz wrote: post #78
akersten wrote: post #52

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Police taking selfie with terrorist: https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520 Police letting terrorists in: https://twitter.com/joshuapotash/status/1346931235176783873

The video (letting them in) doesn't show what you think it does. Capital Police leadership planned poorly and their leadership is at fault. They had to fall back to more secure chokepoints because they were outnumbered and overwhelmed. The cops didn't let anyone in. They killed someone and one of them was killed in the fighting. Please don't stir up trouble with fake conjecture over a 30 second clip that doesn't show…

No... if those officers had fallen back, sure, all good. I don't see an issue there. But literally you have an officer (and yes, I get it, individual versus collective) who moves gates, and starts waving protestors through.

If you're falling back because you're overwhelmed by a surge, the last thing you do is _remove obstacles between you and the surge_!

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by print_r »

The infosec aspect of this whole event has been fascinating to me. That tweet from that guy in Pelosi's office with the computer with her email open was pretty shocking. Every company I have ever worked for enforced the pc auto locking after 10 min or so of inactivity. Its unbelievable that the Capitol doesn't enforce this.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by jeffbee »

LargeWu wrote: post #292
rtkwe wrote: post #248

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She was climbing through a barricaded door through a broken window with a person with a drawn gun on the other side protecting who knows who, armed or not the outcome was kind of a given when she decided that was a good idea. Not the best comparison to put up against the treatment of BLM protestors throughout the year.

There was at least one person near her in the video of that women getting shot who was clearly armed with an assault rifle. She may have been unarmed but was storming the chamber with other armed people. The security on the other side had good reason to believe she was a dangerous threat.

The guy with a carbine in the video is a police tactical officer. The main question about this scene is not why the secret service officer shot the woman who defied a lawful order by entering the chambers through a broken window and over the top of a barricade. The question is why she hadn't been shot long before.

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Post by Pryde »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #328
shakezula wrote: post #49

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Uhh yeah, probably because the congresspeople were evacuated in a hurry because there was an angry mob storming their building?

It takes less than one second to press Windows+L. Certainly they could have accomplished that as they got up from their seats.

I mean, sure, they had time. But clarity of mind during an evacuation is something I imagine is _hard_ for most people. Definitely would be for me.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by jeffbee »

stagger87 wrote: post #253
jeffbee wrote: post #202

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I admire the restraint on display here, but if even one of those guys had been black, the cops would have iced every one of them. Imagine someone grabbing a cop's gas mask at a BLM march and not being dead 2 seconds later.

Hyperbole, this kind of stuff happened all the time at BLM protests. There is literally hundreds of videos of this stuff. No one was getting 'iced'.

Kindly produce a link to a video where someone at a BLM protest grabs and removes a police officer's gas mask.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by IncRnd »

baybal2 wrote: post #312
m463 wrote: post #274

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Maybe stealing it also removed a bunch of foreign operative bugs and keyloggers :) "How can we remove this compromised system from the building without letting on that we know " "just have a 'theft' remove it!"

Why do you think any of your rogue nation club have any interest hacking US politicians , except for, probably, blackmail? US is an open society, and most US politicians speak what they think, or at least you can guess, or even ask them yourself! Those people are like open books. Unlike of your usual cabal totalitarians, who either don't speak at all, or purposefully try to hide their real aims by engaging in double…

I can't imagine you really believe that. The US may have an open society, but the US doesn't have an open government. Look at just the tiniest amount of publicly known items from Snowden and Wikileaks. Those alone indicate a greater iceberg of secrets.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by mmmBacon »

35fbe7d3d5b9 wrote: post #46
mumblemumble wrote: post #14

Beyond the information security risk around the loss of this specific device, what really worries me is the physical security implications here. I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but it seems to me like, in a building like the US Capitol, it should not be anywhere near this easy for unauthorized people to waltz into an office or conference room in the first place. Let alone walk away with items from within that…

I've traveled to countries before whose offices of government are behind very large fences, protected by unfriendly looking men standing behind heavy machine guns in armored vehicles – and the guide books are very clear that you are not to take photos of them. I much prefer the approach taken in the USA, where our offices of government are accessible to the people that the government serves. It's very good that I can…

As a huge democrat (lower case d) I totally agree. Locking down the Capitol is antithetical to the notion of open democracy. Lawmakers and the law making process needs to be physically accessible by the People. This was what the Founders intended. Of course there is some risk here and Jefferson himself noted this.

That’s the price we pay for living in an open and transparent society. While I don’t condone or support what happened this week, the building belongs to the People and not the government and the People have every right to enter the building and demand accountability.

The way the US Capitol is right now feels very police-state to me compared to how it used to be. I have memories of running around the Capitol building with my Cub Scout pack including ending up in private areas. There were no assault weapons and we weren’t met with police. We were politely shooed away.

Today you cannot walk up the steps of the Capitol building. It’s fenced off and manned by armed guard. Last time I was there I stepped aside to let some people pass in a crowded area and crossed some arbitrary unmarked do not cross line but about 12 inches. I was physically grabbed by Police.

To quote Donald Rumsfeld “freedom is untidy.”

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by kyleblarson »

LargeWu wrote: post #292
rtkwe wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She was climbing through a barricaded door through a broken window with a person with a drawn gun on the other side protecting who knows who, armed or not the outcome was kind of a given when she decided that was a good idea. Not the best comparison to put up against the treatment of BLM protestors throughout the year.

There was at least one person near her in the video of that women getting shot who was clearly armed with an assault rifle. She may have been unarmed but was storming the chamber with other armed people. The security on the other side had good reason to believe she was a dangerous threat.

There is no such thing as an 'assault rifle'. It is a made up term.
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