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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by forserious »

lldbg wrote: post #682
jakelazaroff wrote: post #584

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Your bookshelf doesn’t analyze your reading habits and recommend other books specifically to drag you deeper into the rabbit hole of extremism. Your bookshelf doesn’t allow you to instantly connect with thousands of likeminded people to incubate terrorist plots.

Among the first few pages in many of my books are recommendations for other similar books from the same publisher, and not infrequently the author himself cites related works.

Are you saying that references to other books is the equivalent to an algorithm designed to get more clicks?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by throwaway45349 »

tootie wrote: post #411
throwaway45349 wrote: post #284

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You're joking, right? I for one am proud of Cloudflare for taking a stand against cancel culture, because one of these days it could hit you or me and I want to support people who will stand in behind me in the name of free speech.

Is "cancel culture" defined as being anti-Nazi or something? "Cancelling" is absolutely an expression of free speech.

Creating a cancel culture is exactly what the Nazis did to push their agenda.

I can be anti-Nazi and pro-free speech.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by caeril »

Bayart wrote: post #83
gfodor wrote: post #32

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Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

>Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet. Service-providers giving the boot to « problematic » users is as far as I know as old as the Internet.

That's not really true. The early-ish internet saw plenty of, say, communists peering with Hayek libertarians inside Exodus cages, and other such unexpected arrangements. You also had LUGs, lan parties, BBSs and IRC channels that had very diverse users, but tolerated, and even thrived on, offensive speech and trolls. The community's glue was love of the technology and the medium, with political, ethnic, or other tribal interests being anywhere from completely unimportant to secondary.

Damn near every channel on 2010 EFNet or DALNet would be deemed in violation of most of 2020's TOS. To say nothing of mid-90s EFNet. Whoo-boy, the eggdrop bots logging those channels could get probably a thousand well-known, well-respected developers and network engineers working at FAANGs today fired, if someone took the time.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by chris11 »

Covzire wrote: post #575
andrewem wrote: post #232

You know what scares the shit out of me, to use your phrasing? The people on that site murdering me or overthrowing the government, so that they seize power and elections end or become irrelevant. “The free Internet” has value, but it’s not the only thing that has value. When it conflicts with other values, then there has to be a nuanced resolution.

I don't read or follow thedonald.win, but I share your general feelings of apprehension for the well being of anyone who consumes CNN, MSNBC or NYT hoping to be accurately informed.

The MSM can't be compared to QAnon and OANN related media. One has professional standards, the other starts conspiracy theories.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by beerandt »

farisjarrah wrote: post #639
beerandt wrote: post #571

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1) Browsers no longer let you (easily/ 2-click) override some ssl errors, and the overwhelming trend has been to start treating a lack of https similar to an ssl error, as far as ui goes. 2) Is this practically any different than saying newsgroups, or even bbs(?), still exist, so those avenues for free speech are viable remedies for being otherwise suppressed.

To your first point: Firefox still lets you easily override a ssl error with 2 clicks. Go to the site, click "Advanced" and then click "Accept the risk and continue". Using the most up to date version of firefox on MacOS, Linux and Windows.

Only for certain types of ssl errors. The advanced button has been removed from some of the error pages.

*Although it's mostly been chrome. I did at least see it on Firefox while att tried to MitM errors during a recent outage.

I believe the recent att router bit-flipping issue resulted in the same.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gfodor »

criddell wrote: post #504
gfodor wrote: post #471

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You claim "nothing good comes out of these places" - that's a strong claim to make. Here's my argument: having this stuff out in the open does have benefits. Most people lurk. Lurking these sites has a lot of benefits despite the risk of being drawn into radicalization: - It allows you to truly understand the motives of these kinds of people, and predict what they will do. - Understanding these motives allows you to…

There may be benefits, but the harm - real and potential - dwarf anything you've listed.

That's not an argument, it's a claim. And it also is shifting the goalpost from the original post, but you're not the same person so that seems fair.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by rorykoehler »

ng12 wrote: post #631
jakelazaroff wrote: post #584

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Your bookshelf doesn’t analyze your reading habits and recommend other books specifically to drag you deeper into the rabbit hole of extremism. Your bookshelf doesn’t allow you to instantly connect with thousands of likeminded people to incubate terrorist plots.

> drag you deeper into the rabbit hole of extremism This is what banning /r/the_donald and now /r/donaldtrump did. It doesn't stop the users from believing what they believe, it just further isolates them in an echo changer while simultaneously reinforcing the belief that the liberal media is "out to get them".

What would you do?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gfodor »

dboreham wrote: post #402
gfodor wrote: post #32

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Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

> inadvertently slip into extremism Hate when that happens..

Thinking you are not susceptible to becoming radicalized just shows you are basically at the kindergarten level of understanding how such radicalization works. Those least susceptible to radicalization are those who fear it for themselves the most, since they understand their innate flaws as human beings and their susceptibility to it. Nobody is immune to it, and the mass radicalization of normally good people over these past 4 years ought to be evidence enough that ignorance about the danger is widespread. (Everyone thinks they are not susceptible to it and only other people are - the people who say that I believe the most are the ones who have gone to hell and returned to tell the tale.)

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by jansan »

andybak wrote: post #413
MrZongle2 wrote: post #311

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Exactly. There are dangerous extremists on both ends of the spectrum, but God forbid you want to assess the entire landscape in some forums. You're just mocked for being some kind of centrist , as if not being a slobbering partisan is a character flaw.

I'm a centrist by instinct and by UK standards. Unfortunately that would probably put me in the "radical leftist" bracket according to current US discourse.

And if you move one inch to the right, you will be branded a right wing fascist. It has become extremely difficult to be seen as part of the center.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by ufmace »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #603
CyberRabbi wrote: post #499

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Were you scared of the women’s March murdering you after they “stormed” the capitol? https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20

This is like hearing someone at a bank saying they were scared a masked robber was going to murder them, and responding “were you scared of the customer who came in before them murdering you too?” The terrorists who stormed the capital on Wednesday have a history of violence and connections to various far right extremist and terrorist groups. They came carrying weapons, zip ties and bombs. Don’t pretend there’s no di…

Let's play paraphrase and switch sides!

The terrorists who have been rioting all across America for the last 6 months have a history of violence and connections to various far-left extremist and terrorist groups. They have roamed the cities carrying out attacks with bricks, molotov cocktails, blinding lasers, pepper spray, and other weapons. They have planted bombs and carried firearms. They have been endorsed wholeheartedly by every mainstream media source and many Democrat elected representatives.

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