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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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You say this after the president of the United States has incited a seditious, violet mob to attack the Capitol because he's a sore loser. There are many examples you can pick if you want to point out bias in media, day before yesterday was not one. For reference, conservative subreddits remain active, Donald Trump is the one that's banned.

When you use words such as seditious and mob, I want to remind you that words have power and that those words don’t unify but rather tend to divide and amplify hatred on both sides. There were many instances where protests got out of hand this summer and courthouses and police stations were destroyed; entire city blocks were taken over and those responsible enacted and enforced their own laws. The actions weren’t ref…

> There were many instances where protests got out of hand this summer and courthouses and police stations were destroyed;

The white supremacist terrorists's goal yesterday was to prevent a formal certification process that's central to the transition of executive power. Many people were armed and prepared for violence: multiple IEDs were found, multiple people had body armor, multiple people had loaded firearms & extra ammunition, people brought a guillitine, people were shouting chants about killing senators & reps, multiple people had zip-ties or handcuffs. That is sedition.

Unlike BLM protestors, the terrorist's intent was a coup: they wanted to undermine a democracy's most important legal process. BLM wants to use legal means to revolutionize the country's public safety, primarily via re-allocating city and state police budgets to programs that have effective track records of increasing public safety and not ending in the murder of Black people.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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You know what scares the shit out of me, to use your phrasing? The people on that site murdering me or overthrowing the government, so that they seize power and elections end or become irrelevant. “The free Internet” has value, but it’s not the only thing that has value. When it conflicts with other values, then there has to be a nuanced resolution.

Were you scared of the women’s March murdering you after they “stormed” the capitol? https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20

I sincerely hope you don't mean this to be comparable. Beating police with batons? Stealing their riot shields? Spraying them with mace? Stealing property from the capitol?

You and I both know that if all the folks did yesterday was go into the Capitol and march and chant in the halls, they'd be framed as deranged lunatics who might've gone a bit too far - not domestic terrorists. Show me the video evidence from the women's march where they coordinated a group to push into the police while yelling for "fresh patriots" to come to the front line and push back.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Dems imported millions of immigrants whose communities always vote left. Its like an escape hatch in a democracy to win elections

Immigrants can't vote. Only citizens can vote.

Immigrants are citizens. Unless you're referring to illegal aliens.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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>free Internet A private company choosing who to allow on their platform? Seems like the freedom to me. And in the absence of any government action against these domestic terrorists (they have been planning exactly this violence for weeks), it's great to see private companies step in and take action.

> domestic terrorists I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that you don't have a lot of exposure to terrorism. A bunch of idiots breaking into the Capitol and… mostly wandering around taking selfies? Not really very effective terrorists. It was a stupid, pointless move, and illegal — but a long, long way short of terrorism, except possibly on the very fringes of some three-letter organization's idiosyncratic def…

I think you can stretch the definition of terrorism to meet them (the congress was evacuated in fear, it influenced political events) but the lesson of 2001- is that any dilution of the term of terrorism is no free lunch, and we ought to understand what will happen if we endorse our leaders treating something as terrorism vs another form of illegal act.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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> A private company choosing who to allow on their platform? Seems like the freedom to me. I wonder when people stopped thinking. By the same argument, should they be allowed to block all black people?

As reprehensible as it is, legally they absolutely are. Remember how country clubs didn't / still don't allow woman, african americans or jews? Common carriers (stores, hotels, etc) are treated differently, and is very much debated. (ie can a bakery deny service based on sexual preference.)

>can a bakery deny service based on sexual preference.

It is a little more nuanced than that. Bakeries were not denying anybody based on sexual orientation.

If a gay man went to get a straight wedding cake, a non-wedding cake, or a wedding cake for a gay wedding that did not have anything to indicate it was for a gay wedding the bakers would not have denied them.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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I don't read or follow thedonald.win, but I share your general feelings of apprehension for the well being of anyone who consumes CNN, MSNBC or NYT hoping to be accurately informed.

One indisputable lesson of these last few years (which was probably always true, and known by some) is that people largely seem to be able to recognize propaganda from people they disagree with but by and large are very poor at using that to better see the propaganda they are accepting for themselves.

I won't dispute that. Imagine if there was some AI that could discern "truth" in an unbiased way, I bet it would have many interesting (and enraging) things to say.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Have you ever spent time on the leftist "tankie" / "Chapo trap house" kind of subreddits? Or the Gen Zedong groups that glorify the purge of landlords during the communist revolution in China? If we are really going to go after such people wanting to violently overthrow the government we can't be ignoring the left when they do it.

Chapo hipsters buy fixies, not AR-15s. You're not going to kidnap the Speaker of the House, or murder a Senator with a gearless bicycle.

Not in the USA they don't. But in Venezuela it's a different story.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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The end goal is cessation of real and specific incitements to violence against people and property, and planning thereof. Much as you like to spin it, if there weren't notable, repeated documented cases of idiots on Parler coordinating protests and outright violence, then no-one would really give a shit. Making this out to be "the left wants to remove our ability to speak whatsoever" is not a "narrative shift", it's…

> The end goal is cessation of real and specific incitements to violence against people and property, and planning thereof. So are we just pretending that March-September 2020 didn't happen in dozens of major cities across the US.

On what forums were specific plans discussed in public?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

#629
post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

If you wonder why they are threatened consider parler and the things people post there. Please forgive the language it is verbatim and I think threats of violence are more offensive than bad words. > You had better be ready partriots! It is go time very soon. We must attack all central communications to big cities are democratic cities. Fiber optics telecom bridges supply routes we can starve those motherfuckers to d…

Your anecdote is irrelevant, You can find all kinds of deranged behaviour on any platform.

Speaking of gatekeepers, however, I wonder, how soon Google and Apple will boot Parler from their AppStores?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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The day the bulk of far-left idealists advocate violence and racism, they won't be tolerated either.

The bulk of the right wing doesn't, either. Your bubble is showing. If the right wing weren't so frequently excised from the public sphere, it might be easier for you to see the saner parts of it — but the private censorship we've been seeing cuts with a blunt scalpel. I think it's better to expose the worst of it to public contempt, rather than isolate them and let them fester together.

The right wing is all over the public sphere. I have a pretty good idea of what they're saying and supporting despite having a lot of the usual suspects blocked on Twitter. I have no idea what you think the "saner" part is, but the saner part is no longer in control.
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