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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Why don't you post your LinkedIn if you feel so strongly that we shouldn't be anonymous for our own protection?

I hate both extremes and I don't want to risk the thugs from either side (nazis or communists) bashing my skull in or trying to get me fired.

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Aren't white people more likely to die by police? (seriously asking, I remember this data point but it's not in front of me).

Not quite. More white people die by far in total , but as a percentage of the demographic more non-white people die. This is largely attributed to systemic racism, but also to poverty.

> This is largely attributed to systemic racism

Citation needed

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Please cite me tweets/descriptions of where he incited anything. He said something like "we will remember this day," and not long after condemned violence and supported law enforcement. Then the next day he condemned it again.

He literally gave an hour long speech minutes before they attacked our nation's capitol.

Did you mean to post that link? It's not a link to the hour-long speech. Does anyone have a link to it? I would be interested to hear what he said.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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The last place I worked paid hard-earned money during a recession to migrate their properties off of CloudFlare because they were providing CDN services to the Proud Boys and the CEO had made some equivocal statement that they didn't think it was their responsibility to police content. It's an interesting topic and possibly a genuine slippery slope about what sort of responsibility service providers have over their c…

You're joking, right? I for one am proud of Cloudflare for taking a stand against cancel culture, because one of these days it could hit you or me and I want to support people who will stand in behind me in the name of free speech.

The irony is he's also wrong, cloudfare canceled daily stormer and made a big fuss about it.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Is it OK to silence people now?

Actually yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action . Not saying what happened on /r/donaldtrump actually met that criteria (that's up to a court to decide), but the precedent to silence people (by the government no less) is definitely there.

So you are against the freedom of speech principle?

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That's the danger in going to such lengths to shut down disagreeable viewpoints. People say "make your own website", but that becomes a race to the bottom when we start politicizing server hosts and ISPs. When you completely shut people up, that doesn't mean they're gone, and now you don't know what they're thinking. Meanwhile you're actually tyrannical because a monopoly on information makes the mass 80% believe tha…

Tor hidden services now for drugs AND crazy. Alternatively freenet not just for pedophiles anymore!

Admittedly, I don't know what you're getting at precisely. The dark web is certainly an alternative, but it's not exactly a viable one. Tor is basically the manifestation that every right can be abused in some way, especially with low moderation.

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> Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet Big tech companies are largely left-leaning internally (which isn't surprising since California is the most left leaning state), so there is nothing to fear as long as you lean left yourself, (i.e. I guarantee you won't be censored for left-leaning speech any time soon).

Well, it depends on who's the One True Left. Most TERFy folks also identify as left wing and structure their arguments around historically progressive concepts like anti-essentialist conceptions of gender, but they're already kind of on the chopping block.

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So let me get this straight: It was fine when violence was insighted during the Arab Spring, but now it's not ok? I'm British and live in England so have no skin in the game, just amazed at the double standards by the major social media companies. On second thoughts perhaps I shouldn't be that surprised.

Are we going to sit here and act like the stated goals of the Arab Spring and Trump supporters are remotely equivalent morally?

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Yeah I'll admit I didn't follow it completely and didn't care enough to investigate. I'm sure it'll bubble up here if it does with more details just like when they got nuked from Reddit. Arguably sites like this one are a good way to gauge the true robustness of the Internet - given the situation this week they clearly now are in the realm of law enforcement, but up until these rather insane events to me their contin…

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"Suppose further that about 100 people actually passed the barricades (which were inexplicably opened by the police, by the way, video evidence shows) out of the estimated 40,000 at the rally. If that is the case, is it really fair to shut down major pro-Trump websites?"

That's assuming that all parties involved are concerned about fairness.

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https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/896/censorship > In general, sedition is defined as trying to overthrow the government with intent and means to bring it about; the Supreme Court, however, has been divided over what constitutes intent and means. > These acts made it a federal crime to speak, write, or print criticisms of the government that were false, scandalous, or malicious. It is frightening to me tha…

One difference, of course, is that despite there being a significant number of ‘trusted’ sources claiming extensive election fraud - there has been near zero evidence presented by these same sources to defend the claims. That alone should be a red flag that the claims are mere assertions rather than statements of fact.

I found the confirmation hearing on Wednesday to be very informative on this. There were countless objectors attempting to invalidate the Pensylvannia vote, all echoing each other on a variety of reasons including voter fraud. Republican house members made very convincing arguments on the floor that caused me to wonder what information I was missing.

The democratic house members who argued against the objections easily tore down their arguments. Their largest point with respect to voter fraud was that there were was actually _no_ legal action mentioning voter fraud brought up in the many many court cases launched by Trump's team. The reasoning being because lawyers can have their licenses revoked for intentionally lying about serious accusations and no lawyer was willing to put their career on the line for something they had no evidence for.

I respect everyone's views and consider myself to be somewhat moderate, but damn overall republican house lost a ton of respect from me that night.

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