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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by pvarangot »

vdnkh wrote: post #122
gfodor wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

>free Internet A private company choosing who to allow on their platform? Seems like the freedom to me. And in the absence of any government action against these domestic terrorists (they have been planning exactly this violence for weeks), it's great to see private companies step in and take action.

The private companies would very much like to allow them, as they pay their bills and are a big customer. They are choosing not to allow them because they are being strong armed by a part of the political establishment that considers the spread of the information this websites want to share as dangerous for the country or its citizens.

So yeah, there's some government action against this domestic terrorists and it's resulting in private companies banning their websites.

You can agree with the action or not, I think it's a good idea to have infrastructure in place that thwarts the spread of dangerous misinformation, but that shouldn't be censorship. It should be easy to access education and mental healthcare to help people be strong against misinformation on their own and without the long arm of the law having to babysit them.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by PenguinCoder »

mywittyname wrote: post #48

At this point, why bother? The damage was done years ago and these groups have already largely jumped ship to their own self-hosted platforms. Doing this now makes me think their leadership are all cowards, at best. It reveals that leadership knew this step should have been done a long time ago, but failed to act due to fear. Had they left it alone, at least we could have all bought into this BS notion that it was du…

It's always been too little, too late. Saving face , or finally got enough complaints from advertisers.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by hiram112 »

It's irrelevant, but it's quite apparent that the establishment is using what's relatively a minor event* to put into motion the crack downs they've wanted to do for years.

Seeing the Twitter mob, composed not only of the usual subjects, but also major media members, celebrities, and politicians outright push for restrictions and "punishments" for anyone who has ever shown support for Trump is terrifying. The left has become the true fascists they've always pretended they were fighting. It's a small step from here to the Bolshevik purges and Chinese Cultural Revolution. Exact same playbook being enacted.

* Congress has been "stormed" many times in US history, as recent as Kavanaugh hearings.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

gfodor wrote: post #81
renewiltord wrote: post #67

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As in let's encrypt is going to blacklist their domain? Sounds unlikely. It doesn't really matter. If this starts being a problem, we'll use a decentralized web of trust for SSL. It doesn't have to be centralized.

Yeah I'll admit I didn't follow it completely and didn't care enough to investigate. I'm sure it'll bubble up here if it does with more details just like when they got nuked from Reddit. Arguably sites like this one are a good way to gauge the true robustness of the Internet - given the situation this week they clearly now are in the realm of law enforcement, but up until these rather insane events to me their contin…

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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by zionic »

manfredo wrote: post #136
typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

> Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Agreed - though I find it's more of a headache than scary. On end, I don't like the fact that increasingly internet infrastructure is acting as a de facto judge in deciding what speech is and isn't allowed. I empathize with both parties. ISPs don't want to host speech they feel is abhorr…

> ISPs don't want to host speech they feel is abhorrent

But where does this end? Does the phone company want to allow conversations they find morally reprehensible? Does apple want to send iMessages that denigrate their company?

After all, they are private companies! /s

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by minikites »

edmundsauto wrote: post #138
simonswords82 wrote: post #75

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True, but they also sacrifice eyeballs and revenue.

It may be shocking, but sometimes companies try to make decisions that benefit them in the long run. Even advertising companies! It makes sense that a toxic environment will turn off people in the long run, and most well intentioned people (ie the majority of Reddit, Google, or FB employees) want to run a platform that adds value and is not a cesspool. The realities of staying in business sometimes override that. I d…

>It makes sense that a toxic environment will turn off people in the long run, and most well intentioned people (ie the majority of Reddit, Google, or FB employees) want to run a platform that adds value and is not a cesspool.

I don't think this is supported by the evidence.

The evidence: the current state of Twitter, Facebook, etc. None of them have the necessary level of moderation and until they do, they will continue to be cesspools.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by rightbyte »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #36

I just checked out http://thedonald.win/ and it has gotten a lot more extreme since it was moved off Reddit. I think it would have not gotten as extreme if it were in the Reddit ecosystem still.

It was a big mistake banning it from Reddit. Their own platform is way more radical and informally and in practice allows incitement to violence.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by [deleted] »

ravenstine wrote: post #171
toomuchtodo wrote: post #41

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What other options do you have if you can't educate or have intellectual discourse with people who are fabricating reality or deeply believe in conspiracy theories? It's like trying to pull someone out of a cult like Scientology. Of course, attempt to engage to improve the situation and help someone obtain ground truth on their own from legitimate information sources, but when it's obviously hopeless insulate yoursel…

That's not up to you. Real intellectual discourse isn't your way or the highway . You, like anyone else, has the potential to be wrong, and you're probably wrong a lot more than you think you are. If your arguments don't sway people, that's neither your failing nor the failing of those you are trying to convince. When you censor people, that only emboldens them, and proves to everyone that yes , there are people who…

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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by bdamm »

stronglikedan wrote: post #53
Exuma wrote: post #14

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Please cite me tweets/descriptions of where he incited anything. He said something like "we will remember this day," and not long after condemned violence and supported law enforcement. Then the next day he condemned it again.

> Please cite me tweets/descriptions of where he incited anything. It's not gonna happen, because it didn't happen. I've asked everyone I know to cite the same thing, and no one has been able to. Of course, that won't stop the narrative, because truth has become irrelevant. EDIT: I find it amusing that even the people that have responded to you so far, still haven't actually cited anything yet.

Because I've already done this for so many other people that I'm exhausted. Go f*cking read the speech yourself. What did he think would happen when he asked his supporters to "talk to their representatives" literally as they are voting? Go have a nice cup of tea?
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