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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by watwut »

jakearmitage wrote: post #162
toomuchtodo wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What other options do you have if you can't educate or have intellectual discourse with people who are fabricating reality or deeply believe in conspiracy theories? It's like trying to pull someone out of a cult like Scientology. Of course, attempt to engage to improve the situation and help someone obtain ground truth on their own from legitimate information sources, but when it's obviously hopeless insulate yoursel…

> if you can't educate or have intellectual discourse with people who are fabricating reality or deeply believe in conspiracy theories Why do you want to go to great lengths and "educate" people on your point of view?

Because otherwise they will try to overturn elections and install one party state.

Or because their opinions leads them to construct bombs or shoot people.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by germinalphrase »

one2know wrote: post #117

Incredible how so called "Americans" will drop free speech in a millisecond because it is made by people who are not with their party's OurGuy(TM). I recognize Reddit is under extreme foreign pressure having received and operating on $300MM from the chinese communist party.

It’s a private company. They are under no constitutional obligation to host all forms of speech (and very few media source actually do).

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by trustfundbaby »

oceanplexian wrote: post #183
safog wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say this after the president of the United States has incited a seditious, violet mob to attack the Capitol because he's a sore loser. There are many examples you can pick if you want to point out bias in media, day before yesterday was not one. For reference, conservative subreddits remain active, Donald Trump is the one that's banned.

When you use words such as seditious and mob, I want to remind you that words have power and that those words don’t unify but rather tend to divide and amplify hatred on both sides. There were many instances where protests got out of hand this summer and courthouses and police stations were destroyed; entire city blocks were taken over and those responsible enacted and enforced their own laws. The actions weren’t ref…

yes, because they didn't literally overrun the seat of power and threaten to topple the government. Seditious is spot on.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by tootie »

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

The last place I worked paid hard-earned money during a recession to migrate their properties off of CloudFlare because they were providing CDN services to the Proud Boys and the CEO had made some equivocal statement that they didn't think it was their responsibility to police content. It's an interesting topic and possibly a genuine slippery slope about what sort of responsibility service providers have over their customers use of their platform. It's one thing for dangerous content to be hosted, moderated and monetized on a platform like facebook. But what about just caching it blindly?

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Post by ByteJockey »

staplers wrote: post #71
safog wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say this after the president of the United States has incited a seditious, violet mob to attack the Capitol because he's a sore loser. There are many examples you can pick if you want to point out bias in media, day before yesterday was not one. For reference, conservative subreddits remain active, Donald Trump is the one that's banned.

Imagine if ISIS had a twitter account or reddit fanpage. How fast would conservatives pass legislation to take it down? If the terrorists are white, they're treated differently.

ISIS uses twitter a lot. It's one of their main recruitment methods.

https://towardsdatascience.com/how-isis-uses-twitter-1006579...

Or were you talking more of an "official" twitter account for the organization itself (the same way Wendy's has a twitter account)?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by piyh »

thotsBgone wrote: post #93
Bayart wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet. Service-providers giving the boot to « problematic » users is as far as I know as old as the Internet.

Example?

Goatse

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by dragontamer »

oceanplexian wrote: post #183
safog wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say this after the president of the United States has incited a seditious, violet mob to attack the Capitol because he's a sore loser. There are many examples you can pick if you want to point out bias in media, day before yesterday was not one. For reference, conservative subreddits remain active, Donald Trump is the one that's banned.

When you use words such as seditious and mob, I want to remind you that words have power and that those words don’t unify but rather tend to divide and amplify hatred on both sides. There were many instances where protests got out of hand this summer and courthouses and police stations were destroyed; entire city blocks were taken over and those responsible enacted and enforced their own laws. The actions weren’t ref…

> When you use words such as seditious and mob

The seditious mob injured 50 officers and killed one of them.

You should quit defending them. Stop with the "both-sidesisms". We can clearly point out which group is evil here.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by umvi »

bdamm wrote: post #161
umvi wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You say this after the president of the United States has incited a seditious, violet mob to attack the Capitol because he's a sore loser. By this logic pro-BLM democrats (including some high level pro-BLM politicians) incited numerous violent mobs over the course of 2020 to attack Seattle and Portland and usurp rule-of-law. But when it happened then the protests were "fiery but mostly peaceful" because "collateral…

There's a difference between attacking the Capitol and attacking a Pizza Hut. There's also a difference between a protestor throwing a firework at a courthouse and taking tactical gear and weapons with a couple hundred buddies into a legislature. This equivalence between BLM and the mobbing of the Capitol is confusing to be because it's so obviously a false one.

> There's a difference between attacking the Capitol and attacking a Pizza Hut

What's the difference? In both cases the stated goal of the protests was not to "break stuff" so if that ends up happening, is that the protest's fault?

> There's also a difference between a protestor throwing a firework at a courthouse and taking tactical gear and weapons with a couple hundred buddies into a legislature.

What about armed protestors forcibly ejecting police from a section of the city and setting up a police-free zone?

> This equivalence between BLM and the mobbing of the Capitol is confusing to be because it's so obviously a false one.

It's not equivalent, just similar. In both cases peaceful protesting of perceived injustice is the stated goal, and in both cases bad actors go renegade and break down rule-of-law.

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Post by s3r3nity »

dragontamer wrote: post #112
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #36

I just checked out http://thedonald.win/ and it has gotten a lot more extreme since it was moved off Reddit. I think it would have not gotten as extreme if it were in the Reddit ecosystem still.

Groups becoming more extreme when they exodus is fine and part of the calculus. The reason to take it off of Reddit is to prevent more followers from joining up with them. Stormfront is extreme and everyone knows about them. (Literally a white-nationalist website). But without a foothold on Reddit, they lack the ability to gain followers. When LUE was banned from GameFAQs decades ago, they just formed up their own gr…

> Groups becoming more extreme when they exodus is fine and part of the calculus. The reason to take it off of Reddit is to prevent more followers from joining up with them.

Is this really any better than religious idealogues burning books that aren't its Bibles, lest people get tempted to reject their faith or question their ideologies?

Or North Korea blocking any information about capitalist successes, lest that cause their citizens to question the communist / fascist ideologies they've been exposed to and cause more followers to switch?

Pretending that there aren't other opinions because you're worried that people can't properly evaluate and weigh the evidence / ideas is a weak excuse for censorship.

Of course, I should mention that I do not support many of the prevailing sentiments in r/DonaldTrump - but we should be better arming individuals with better critical thinking and believability weighting abilities, rather than resort to censorship.

"Censorship is telling a man he can't have steak just because a baby can't chew it." - Mark Twain.

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