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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by wolco5 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #106
typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

> they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down Wow, that sucks. What ISP is that? Why can't they just take the money and host the service without censoring other people?

What isp offers that?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by adolph »

This comment is to establish my gratitude to major service providers for removing hateful content and reestablishing trust with the people of the United States and the world who depend on their honesty and public service. Zuck, Jack and whoever is CEO this week at Reddit should be first in line for the Nobel Peace Prize after the General Atomics CEO.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by rat87 »

sleepysysadmin wrote: post #69
sjaak wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t it strange that you have to make a disclaimer like “please don’t judge me?”. Quite literally 1/2 of the USA voted for Trump, should you automatically be ashamed of that? (It’s easy for me to say ofc, I have no horse in this race)

>Isn’t it strange that you have to make a disclaimer like “please don’t judge me?”. Quite literally 1/2 of the USA voted for Trump, should you automatically be ashamed of that? I dont have a horse in the race neither other than stock market. It's not that strange. It's why elections are supposed to be confidential. Public opinion is always going to shift. During Clinton's reign we had the clinton crazies who hated hi…

> Obama derangement was readily labelled racism.

Because so much of it was tinged with racism

> Now Trump derangement is very strong

Yes some people are under the mistaken impression that there's anything good about Trump and therefore suprised when he doesn't seem to care for the future of our democracy and our country even a tiny bit

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by dragonwriter »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #88
dragonwriter wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Quite literally 1/2 of the USA voted for Trump No, they didn't.

Approximately 23% of the US population voted for him. Typically I don't like this arguement, the rest of the population would probably have voted along much the same proportions as those who did.

Whatever you assume about how they would have voted, they didn't “literally” vote.

And the assumption that people who choose to vote have an equal distribution of political views to those who choose not to vote is ludicrous; people who, if they voted, would only vote for someone who isn't a major party candidate are going to be vastly overrepresented among nonvoters simply because they are more likely to feel participation is futile; it would be less inaccurate than assuming equal distribution—but still inaccurate—to assume every eligible nonvoter is equivalent to a vote against at least all of the major party candidates.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by d1zzy »

thotsBgone wrote: post #93
Bayart wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet. Service-providers giving the boot to « problematic » users is as far as I know as old as the Internet.

Example?

When I worked at an ISP years back, if we had a DDOS attack against a customer the way we handled that was to drop all traffic incoming towards that customer's IP at our external peer level (meaning the bigger ISP we were getting most of the external Internet from). That was necessary so all of that DDOS traffic wasn't eating from the bandwidth available to all other customers that weren't being DDOS-ed. But it also meant that the DDOS-ed customer was losing all Internet access (which wasn't really much of a change considering that they were receiving a DDOS that filled all their allocated bandwidth).

Repeat customers that would get DDOS too many times (cybercafes would fall into that category often) would have to either pay more to cover for the cost of the network engineers dealing with the DDOS or get the boot.

From what I remember it's quite similar with many service providers, including hosting providers. Their TOS will allow them discretion to stop providing services to anyone that may negatively impact their business, it's not like there's any law that forces them to provide service to a customer.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gbrown »

gfodor wrote: post #32
typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

> Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet.

I worry more about Google et. al. killing the free and open internet by creating centralized walled gardens. I worry more about legislative attacks on encryption, about the overzealous use of copyright law and the sorry state of intellectual property generally.

If service providers want to deplatform centers of radicalization, I think that's ok.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by raldi »

one2know wrote: post #117

Incredible how so called "Americans" will drop free speech in a millisecond because it is made by people who are not with their party's OurGuy(TM). I recognize Reddit is under extreme foreign pressure having received and operating on $300MM from the chinese communist party.

There's no point in American history where a mainstream pub or club or meeting hall would willingly host a conspiracy to overturn the results of a democratic election.

This is fully in keeping with the Founders' vision for our country.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by redisman »

ddingus wrote: post #79
typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

I do not even think it is morbid. 70 million people voted for Trump. Understanding them better is not a bad thing. Does not mean agreeing with them. And yes, same.

I don't know if those Donald sites are good for that. That is the small Q-anonish minority that was at the capitol. Most of the discussion is not exactly tethered to reality.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by proverbialbunny »

lostlogin wrote: post #70
proverbialbunny wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half of the US has been told to not follow the news. Hacker News is a news site so I imagine little to no one on the Trump train is here.

Have a read though this and other related threads. It’s been surprising to me.

I'm an active reader of threads on YC, and maybe I'm just lucky but I have yet to see anyone spouting MAGA based conspiracy theories. I did get downvoted one time for saying Trump invented the term Antifa (Which is absolutely true. I did a google search by date to verify.) but that's as close as I've seen.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by jandrese »

dragontamer wrote: post #112
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #36

I just checked out http://thedonald.win/ and it has gotten a lot more extreme since it was moved off Reddit. I think it would have not gotten as extreme if it were in the Reddit ecosystem still.

Groups becoming more extreme when they exodus is fine and part of the calculus. The reason to take it off of Reddit is to prevent more followers from joining up with them. Stormfront is extreme and everyone knows about them. (Literally a white-nationalist website). But without a foothold on Reddit, they lack the ability to gain followers. When LUE was banned from GameFAQs decades ago, they just formed up their own gr…

It's the Amiga effect. The smaller a group is the more radical the membership.

Having thedonald.win be a cesspool isn't all bad. If someone is on the fence and goes to check it out their first reaction is likely to be of disgust, especially if the userbase is hostile to "noobs" because they're paranoid about infiltration.

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