Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump” • Hacker News Board

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by whymauri » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:43 PM UTC

dleslie wrote: post #77

whymauri wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm generally against the idea of banning subreddits because they just move elsewhere. The alternative platforms tend to die off, though. Like Voat.

Some do, others stick around. Like Gab, Parler and others.

We'll see. Parler (two years old) in particular is especially young. I'm not sure if Gab (four years old) has the funding to survive another few years. Voat lasted six solid years before running out of cash, so that's going to be my approximate benchmark.

Parler might outlast both if politicians keep moving to that platform. In that case, I might be wrong. TheDonald.win is way too focused, though.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by vdnkh » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:43 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #32

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

>free Internet

A private company choosing who to allow on their platform? Seems like the freedom to me. And in the absence of any government action against these domestic terrorists (they have been planning exactly this violence for weeks), it's great to see private companies step in and take action.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Exuma » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:43 PM UTC

edmundsauto wrote: post #111

umvi wrote: post #47

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> You say this after the president of the United States has incited a seditious, violet mob to attack the Capitol because he's a sore loser. By this logic pro-BLM democrats (including some high level pro-BLM politicians) incited numerous violent mobs over the course of 2020 to attack Seattle and Portland and usurp rule-of-law. But when it happened then the protests were "fiery but mostly peaceful" because "collateral…

You say these things as if they are not facts. BLM was protesting the injustice of systematic oppression that results in black people bejng murdered by police. 93% of the protests were entirely peaceful. In the other 7%, it is not clear if the violence was instigated by citizens or police. On the right, you have people who storm the US fucking Capitol building while they are confirming the next POTUS. They were tryin…

Aren't white people more likely to die by police? (seriously asking, I remember this data point but it's not in front of me).

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gfodor » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:43 PM UTC

daniel957 wrote: post #74

gfodor wrote: post #32

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Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

You didn’t need to look at those sites to predict what was going to happen.

I disagree, as someone who observed this site as well as everything else, I can tell you at least for me my prior was heavily influenced by the shift in tone, sentiment, and desperation I observed there relative to the usual din of more front-facing social media grifters.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by amyjess » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:43 PM UTC

Exuma wrote: post #25

eyelidlessness wrote: post #17

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No one is being censored. You’re perfectly welcome to go on 4chan or breitbart or parler or even other subreddits or just build a new platform. No one is entitled to use other people’s resources and effort to have their views amplified without moderation by those people offering that service. Edit: every time I post a comment like this here I get downvoted. I’m not complaining, downvote away. But I have to wonder if…

This argument isn't valid when literally 80 million people support a different idea. At some point when a platform gets large enough it's egregious to shut down so many views especially when any rational human can see the reasons are incredibly biased.

I take it you don't remember what life was like before the Internet was a thing.

A major city would have approximately four local TV stations with any kind of news organization and two newspapers. Maybe you'd have CNN if you had cable, which a lot of people didn't have. I could guarantee you right here that none of them would platform extreme viewpoints, and the country was much better off for it. I guess if you lived in NYC you'd have a few more options, but they were still pretty limited. And none of these were interactive in any way we'd recognize: maybe, at the most, you'd get a letter to the editor published if you got lucky.

The idea where anyone could say anything and be given a massive platform on an international social network that most of the population uses is a very, very new development.

Algorithm-driven social media where anyone can post whatever is actively harmful to our country. Right now, if you view any YouTube videos about WW2, you'll start getting videos "explaining" that the Holocaust was a hoax in your recommendations. If you're thinking about getting into hunting, and you look up gun reviews on YouTube, your recommendations are going to fill up with "Stop the Steal" and QAnon and other boogaloo propaganda. This is the kind of behavior that, if allowed to continue, will absolutely and utterly burn down society.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by some-guy » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:43 PM UTC

Exuma wrote: post #25

eyelidlessness wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is being censored. You’re perfectly welcome to go on 4chan or breitbart or parler or even other subreddits or just build a new platform. No one is entitled to use other people’s resources and effort to have their views amplified without moderation by those people offering that service. Edit: every time I post a comment like this here I get downvoted. I’m not complaining, downvote away. But I have to wonder if…

This argument isn't valid when literally 80 million people support a different idea. At some point when a platform gets large enough it's egregious to shut down so many views especially when any rational human can see the reasons are incredibly biased.

/r/DonaldTrump wasn't visited by 80 million people. The first amendment doesn't protect speech inciting violence.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by cultus » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:43 PM UTC

justaman wrote: post #16

I'm generally against the idea of banning subreddits because they just move elsewhere. However, if this is going to be the official stance of Reddit admins, I encourage them to take a look at /r/sino and a few other communities that regularly violate the rules.

Deplatforming works. A few people follow to other sites, but most don't. It also becomes harder to attract new cultists if one is shut out of major services.

https://gnet-research.org/2020/05/11/weighing-the-value-and-...

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by typon » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:43 PM UTC

iso1631 wrote: post #76

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

> Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Have you never heard of the DMCA? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25682785 Wikipedia was threatened for having B709D3A0CD2FEC08EAFCCF540D8A100BB38E5E091D646ADB7B14D021096FFCD on a web page. ISPs are frequently threatening to disconnect customers who serve files, and sites that are l…

Except in this case, this isn't a copyright violation. I have never heard of a case of a website being shut down by an ISP for advocating violence. If that was the case, Facebook, Reddit, Twitter or any social media platform wouldn't exist.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by crisper78 » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:44 PM UTC

thotsBgone wrote: post #93

Bayart wrote: post #83

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>Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet. Service-providers giving the boot to « problematic » users is as far as I know as old as the Internet.

Example?

I have about 30 examples, none of which will ever be shared on the Internet!

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by matheusmoreira » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:44 PM UTC

slg wrote: post #13

The cynic in me can't help but notice that all these platforms are suddenly growing a backbone now that we know Democrats will control both the executive and legislative branches.

Isn't it more likely that advertisers found the subreddit offensive and complained?