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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by Florin_Andrei » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:24 PM UTC

marcosdumay wrote: post #861

technofiend wrote: post #241

I know Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and all the rest don't count as broadcast media but I feel like we got here in part because the 1987 elimination of FCC's fairness doctrine slowly allowed a shift in how we communicate with each other. We went from specious claims and conspiracy theories being the subject matter of newsletters to their public broadcast to millions via talk radio ~and Fox News~, thus allowin…

The death of the press¹ has been an worldwide phenomenon, so attributing it to a single US legislative bill is a bit too reductionist. It's quite possible that there was US protagonism on that process, and it's quite possible that the bill was a relevant factor, but the bill doesn't have an worldwide impact, and the US influence does certainly not come from it. 1 - It looks quite dead by now, nearly everything we cal…

Regardless - giving every single person, no matter what their accomplishments or talents, the same voice online, without anything out there filtering the garbage, was a really, REALLY bad move.

Unfiltered social media is an amplifier for bullshit. Truth, reason, a good analysis - they're all hard. Spewing out nonsensical mythology is easy.

Something needs to change.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by nojito » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:25 PM UTC

technofiend wrote: post #241

I know Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and all the rest don't count as broadcast media but I feel like we got here in part because the 1987 elimination of FCC's fairness doctrine slowly allowed a shift in how we communicate with each other. We went from specious claims and conspiracy theories being the subject matter of newsletters to their public broadcast to millions via talk radio ~and Fox News~, thus allowin…

>I know Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and all the rest don't count as broadcast media but I feel like we got here in part because the 1987 elimination of FCC's fairness doctrine slowly allowed a shift in how we communicate with each other.

230 renders the Fairness Doctrine moot. Even if it still existed today.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by kolbe » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:26 PM UTC

bluntfang wrote: post #417

kolbe wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain? I don't think it's constructive to hide behind analogy and cliche when you could come out and tell us the causes and effects that you think are happening here.

Why do you think it's "hiding"? analogies have a way to explain things to people who don't have context, it's a tool to remove obfuscation, not add more layers.

That only true when it serves to augment the plain English truth. When that's omitted, it's what I dare say is a "Trumpian" method of obscuring reality.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by nojito » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:26 PM UTC

matthewrobertso wrote: post #706

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #614

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It's very fair. Fox - and its equivalents - are run in a knowing and cynical way. "No reasonable viewer would think Tucker Carlson is news." The media barons believe their consumers are idiots, and treat them accordingly. https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/fox-news-lawyer-suggest... You're going to have a hard time finding an equivalent statement from the progressive media. This is about clash of fundamentally inco…

Rachel Maddow is a direct equivalent. https://deadline.com/2020/05/rachel-maddow-one-america-news-...

MSNBC doesn't promote their opinion block as News.

How many people know that Fox News's news division only has 2 hours of programming a day?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by rayiner » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:28 PM UTC

technofiend wrote: post #241

I know Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and all the rest don't count as broadcast media but I feel like we got here in part because the 1987 elimination of FCC's fairness doctrine slowly allowed a shift in how we communicate with each other. We went from specious claims and conspiracy theories being the subject matter of newsletters to their public broadcast to millions via talk radio ~and Fox News~, thus allowin…

Blaming Fox is really disingenuous. Fox became popular as an alternative because of the mainstream media’s reaction to George W. Bush, in particular mocking him for his religiousity.

If you look at surveys, people understand Fox has a bias. But it’s very hard to listen to news from people who don’t appear to share your basic values.

Consider this summer. We can debate the merits of whether violent rioting, setting police stations on fire, etc., is a justified response in certain circumstances. But the public has divergent opinions on this, and journalists have a pretty uniform opinion on this issue. This is a divergence that didn’t exist during the 20 years between when CNN was started and when Fox got popular. But it does now. And it’s very hard to watch coverage of this issue when the person behind the news desk obviously sees the world very differently than you.

Fox didn’t create this divergence. It responded to a divergence that grew. And it’s a divergence that’s become more extreme as media consolidation has resulted in most media being beamed from the coasts into the rest of the country.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by kolbe » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:31 PM UTC

fullshark wrote: post #298

kolbe wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain? I don't think it's constructive to hide behind analogy and cliche when you could come out and tell us the causes and effects that you think are happening here.

I think the video will further instill anger in his supporters and possibly if not probably lead to greater acts of political violence. Hence the claim it violates their terms of service.

"Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th."

If that's an incision of violence, then I'm sure you will apply such interpretations equally to other statements? Any time there's a riot, block the leaders of whatever party they riot on behalf of?

I get that you want to shoehorn in a TOS violation, but it's really not. But I also get that it's important for him to not have a platform right now. I'm just not into this Orwellian twist of rules/words/interpretations to try to justify the fact that we just aren't safe with him broadcasting his lies anymore.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by Helloworldboy » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:33 PM UTC

donohoe wrote: post #626

NE2z2T9qi wrote: post #600

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And when politicians call each other Nazis, or when Joe Biden claimed that Mitt Romney wanted to re-enslave black people? Seems like you're only going to apply your "inciting violence" claim to one side. I watched cities burn over the summer and intense levels of violence... And yet no one on the left trotted out speech bans and "incitement to violence" claims. It's obvious you're selectively targeting enforcement of…

Not the same thing. Stop trying to make the two sound the same. It all started when Mr. Biden, addressing a predominantly African American crowd, quoted Mr. Romney as saying in his first 100 days as president that "he's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules -- unchain Wall Street." Then the vice president added with a grin: "They're going to put y'all back in chains!"

How can you be this fucking disingenuous and live with yourself?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by Damorian » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:35 PM UTC

finder83 wrote: post #807

b-etran wrote: post #357

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Here's the transcript of the deleted video statemenet: "I know your pain. Your hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never…

Thanks, I was able to actually find that, but that doesn't sound like calls to violence or insurrection to me. Quite the opposite.

I think it's easy to say Trump's comments condoned violence when you censor the comments themselves and everyone will just believe you because it's in line with their biases, like nearly every comment in this thread approving his bans.

As far as I'm concerned free speach is dead. You can only say what the corporate overlords allow.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by yawaemworht » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:36 PM UTC

aprdm wrote: post #44

Regardless of being the right thing to do or not, it is very interesting to see a software platform banning a president of a country. Interesting times.

While I don't agree with twitter policies as of the last few months, I don't think that somebody should get a different treatment based on the status/job/role they have in society.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by kolbe » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:37 PM UTC

jmull wrote: post #497

This is so Facebook. * Enables and encourages (and makes money off of) spreading hate messages on their platform for years * Hamhandedly does a full reverse and bans of one of the leading spreaders only after it's too late to make a difference. * But just in time to curry favor with the groups newly in power. A twist to the old cliche: too much, too late. How cowardly.

I don't think it's cowardly for them to do exactly the most logical thing for a corporation to do. If you're looking to LLCs to provide inspiration for good/moral/brave actions, I hate to break this to you, but they only provide inspiration for how to make money.