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Post by ianai »

matz1 wrote: post #276
th0ma5 wrote: post #231

All of these HN comments are defending shouting "Fire!" falsely in a theater under the guise of it being a slippery slope before all speech is lost. I have lost a lot of respect for these slippery slope arguments because they are easy to make and ignore the obvious problem which is that some speech shouldn't be tolerated... Especially intolerant or harmful speech.

> which is that some speech shouldn't be tolerated who get to decide what should/shouln't be tolerated ? harmful/harmful ? facebook ?

If it matters what “speech” exists on a platform then that platform probably has gotten too big for societal good. Ie it doesn’t matter what balls or strikes they call. Just leave the platform if you disagree with it and go with a competitor. If you can’t do that then we’re in monopoly power situation. Break em up.

The only speech assured by the constitution is from your literal mouth. Anything else is not free speech.

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Post by q3 »

b-etran wrote: post #357
finder83 wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have examples of the direct calls to violence and insurrection? Supposedly there were three tweets that Twitter required trump to delete, but I don't see the actual text of them anywhere.

Here's the transcript of the deleted video statemenet: "I know your pain. Your hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never…

So the deleted video contained the usual claim of the election being "fraudulent", and these imperatives:

"But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. ... We have to have peace. So, go home, we love you, you’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You’ve seen the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace."

Why exactly was it deleted?

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Post by artiszt »

lalos wrote: post #69

Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

quite right

Zuckerboi the greedy one. w/out him and his FB Inc. lot, and that vastly overrated egotist Assange [who never ever has been even close to ethical grounds of, for instance, E. Snowden] the sick-orange cretin HeWas45 never would have made it in the first place

just fits to what's been posted here earlier https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25662215

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Post by cbradford »

andrepd wrote: post #175

I don't like the thought of trillion-dollar advertising companies being the custodians of the platforms where (sadly) a majority of speech in the world happens. That being said, if direct calls to violence and to insurrection against a democracy aren't grounds to take away your megaphone, then what is? If you're a free speech maximalist you'll be opposed to any sort of "censorship" (then again, people with those view…

Private companies have no more right to discriminate based on thoughts and ideas than a hotel or restaurant can based on race. These businesses are places of public accommodation and cannot discriminate.

And we can dispense with the "calls to violence" argument, which has been the democrat party platform since 2016.

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Post by CodeMage »

mc32 wrote: post #394
wonderwonder wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They invaded the capitol with the sole intention of disrupting congress and preventing a constitutionally mandated handover of power to a democratically elected government. This was an attack on the democracy of the United States, not a building. To portray it as anything else is disingenuous.

As someone else mentioned we also had a group attempting to derail the confirmation of a Supreme Court justice earlier in last year. Did Twitter et al get all twisted in a bunch about it?

Did the Kavanaugh protesters break windows, climb walls, steal stuff, and plant explosives? If they did, can you please point me to a source that shows that, because I haven't been able to find one?

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Post by bluntfang »

kolbe wrote: post #281
fullshark wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See for yourself: https://nypost.com/2021/01/06/trump-releases-statement-telli... Someone described this video as taking a log off the fire while simultaneously pouring gasoline which I think is a fair characterization.

Can you explain? I don't think it's constructive to hide behind analogy and cliche when you could come out and tell us the causes and effects that you think are happening here.

Why do you think it's "hiding"? analogies have a way to explain things to people who don't have context, it's a tool to remove obfuscation, not add more layers.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by mechnesium »

mrlala wrote: post #367
mechnesium wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if direct calls to violence and to insurrection against a democracy aren't grounds to take away your megaphone, then what is? Are you suggesting that Trump made direct calls to violence and to insurrection? If so, that is patently false. From Trump's actual Tweet on December 19th: "... Big Protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!" All he did was call upon his base of supporters to exert their first a…

Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night. Even Bill Barr just came out >Former Attorney General William Barr said Thursday that President Donald Trump inciting a violent insurrection on Capitol Hill the previous day was a "betrayal of his office and supporters." https://www.businessinsider.com/former-ag-barr-trump-betraye... But go ahead and hide behind "well he never ACTUALLY said it!!"

It's intellectually dishonest to say that he incited violence, especially when there's a heavily censored video of him explicitly instructing people to go home and to be peaceful [1].

[1] https://tv.gab.com/channel/realdonaldtrump/view/we-have-to-h...

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by disown »

aprdm wrote: post #44

Regardless of being the right thing to do or not, it is very interesting to see a software platform banning a president of a country. Interesting times.

Even more interesting is the blatant support of zuckerburg and facebook here.

Of all places, you'd think HN would support free speech, but yesterday, you got downvote brigaded for mentioning that facebook and tech companies shouldn't be our censors.

The logic was "we must protect democracy by having zuckerburg censor an elected government official".

One moment it's facebook is evil. The next moment, facebook and zuckerburg are the heroes we need to save democracy. Go figure.

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