Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by elgfare » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 6:50 PM UTC

molbioguy wrote: post #687

elgfare wrote: post #625

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Yes, but in a lot of ways, the laws of society are a sufficiently objective moral basis, since those are the rules we chose for ourselves. Undermining those is just bad in so many ways.

In some cases, yes. But in other cases they just represent the view of the vocal majority or those in power. Laws are official and objective, morals are relative. It's fine to base decisions on agreed upon laws. Appealing to morality is just using your own opinions

I'm aware that all morals are opinions and are dependent on an underlying subjective stance, and therefore the platforms should remain neutral in order to accommodate different stances. I'm arguing that in this case, since this is about stopping the dismantling of the structure of the laws themselves, it's a stance that it's ok for a platform to take since it's in some way the most fundamental common ground that we all need to share to function together.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by bryan_w » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 6:50 PM UTC

jmull wrote: post #497

This is so Facebook. * Enables and encourages (and makes money off of) spreading hate messages on their platform for years * Hamhandedly does a full reverse and bans of one of the leading spreaders only after it's too late to make a difference. * But just in time to curry favor with the groups newly in power. A twist to the old cliche: too much, too late. How cowardly.

> only after it's too late to make a difference.

I think you underestimate how much damage he can still do

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by w0de » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 6:51 PM UTC

throwaway541403 wrote: post #742

Been in tech a long time. Been on HN a long time. Over the past few years reading comments here it seems that the people are already communist and the government is just now catching up. Trump helped avoid it for a short while. Tech used to be creative, respectful, and open. I simply cannot believe the commenters here are my peers. The double speak, double standards, and vitriol toward anything Trump/conservative rel…

This is delusional. I recommend you set a reminder to re-evaluate this statement in 5 years.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by magsnus » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 6:51 PM UTC

Normally I would be against this kind of "arbitrarily corporate censorship" and think people should be able to have a voice as long as they aren't convicted for breaking any laws. But in this case it seems pretty warranted.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by mrguyorama » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 6:52 PM UTC

bra-ket wrote: post #679

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #645

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> all the other mass media outlets All? C'mon. You can make the argument that MSNBC is a mirror of Fox News in terms of coddling its viewers, but if you're calling NPR or the New York Times "fact-free," you're only betraying your own ignorance of journalism standards. Investigating facts and reporting them clearly is a solved problem. There are people who go to universities to study how to do this well, then go to wo…

that 'high standard' apparently allows them to present rumors from anonymous sources as facts as long as it fits a certain political agenda. The burden of evidence no longer applies neither with NYT not any other heavily biased liberal outlets like WaPo or CNN.

You don't seem to understand what an "anonymous source" is

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by bitcharmer » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 6:52 PM UTC

Dirlewanger wrote: post #301

kevinmgranger wrote: post #66

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When you're more or less encouraging a coup, the "fire in a crowded theater" analogy couldn't be more applicable.

Stop saying it was a coup. A bunch of mostly unarmed morons weren't overtaking anything.

These are fascist methods successfully used in the past for power grabs. I was going to explain in more detail but then I saw your HN handle...

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by ncann » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 6:53 PM UTC

jmull wrote: post #497

This is so Facebook. * Enables and encourages (and makes money off of) spreading hate messages on their platform for years * Hamhandedly does a full reverse and bans of one of the leading spreaders only after it's too late to make a difference. * But just in time to curry favor with the groups newly in power. A twist to the old cliche: too much, too late. How cowardly.

No matter what they do, half the population will scream. Imagine if they strongly censor things from the start, that undoubtedly won't fly well with the HN crowd either. Just look at the HN discussion thread when Youtube decided to remove election fraud videos.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by unethical_ban » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 6:53 PM UTC

dstola wrote: post #457

rat87 wrote: post #358

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yeah I'm sure this had nothing to do with the attempted coup

I don't think there is any reason to exaggerate. People have a will and a right to protest against their perceived injustice at a state or federal level. A coup also usually involves the military and a taking of government by force, neither of which happened yesterday. If this were a coup then the BLM "protests" over the summer were also a coup, and they were causing significantly more damage to small business with d…

This is such a god-awful take.

They rushed through barricades of the legislative building during a session. This session wasn't merely "some bill" for gun control, or abolishing taxes, or amending the Constitution, or what have you.

It was the procedure of finally and officially certifying the results of an election that has been improperly questioned by the incumbent. This election has been concluded to be free of systemic fraud, or any level of fraud sufficient to flip any state. And yet these seditious citizens broke in with the intent to stop such a vote from occurring, to the extent that representatives had to flee to safety and several people died.

I personally did not support the level of property damage from the summer protests, but the differences are large. Protesting for political change through collective action, and being attacked in many instances by the very force they claim is oppressive.

The protesters in DC were attacking the will of the people, based on lies and the encouragement of the sitting President - and pretty much welcomed in by local law enforcement.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by ceilingcorner » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 6:53 PM UTC

throwaway541403 wrote: post #742

Been in tech a long time. Been on HN a long time. Over the past few years reading comments here it seems that the people are already communist and the government is just now catching up. Trump helped avoid it for a short while. Tech used to be creative, respectful, and open. I simply cannot believe the commenters here are my peers. The double speak, double standards, and vitriol toward anything Trump/conservative rel…

Just wanted to say I second your comment. I have absolutely zero love for Trump and his clownish supporters, but the partisanship on display here is truly absurd. I really worry for the future if these are the individuals at the heads of major tech corps.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by jayrot » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 6:53 PM UTC

triceratops wrote: post #526

hartator wrote: post #218

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What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Less taxes, no new wars, and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 seems pretty center right to me.

> Less taxes, My taxes went up. > leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 This one especially.

> leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19

It's so infuriating that this BS would pass for some sort of Trump accolade. The country is in full-blown crisis, the likes of which we haven't seen in a century. Why should the president do anything? He let the states handle it. What a great leader!