Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by cycrutchfield » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

chasd00 wrote: post #395

rat87 wrote: post #358

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yeah I'm sure this had nothing to do with the attempted coup

coup is a bit much. this happens from time to time at the state level, protesters push their way into chambers. they should have just been arrested, the police dropped the ball.

It’s a putsch because the intent was to disrupt or prevent the certification of the next president, literally the formal approval of the transfer of power. This is not a bunch of yahoos upset with a governor about coronavirus restrictions.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by chasd00 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

efdee wrote: post #430

mechnesium wrote: post #362

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No, all he said was: "Big Protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!" Protest is protected by the first amendment.

In what world is a call for a "wild protest" not a call for violence?

are you serious? "wild protest" is about as ambiguous as you can get. There's no call for violence with the word "wild" any more than a "wild party" is a call for violence.

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Post by tempodox » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #337

sandworm101 wrote: post #294

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>> time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners That is the system. Companies that want to make money need to keep on the good side of people in power. But isn't that how democracy works? Better that they adapt to every incoming elected administration than have them hold loyalties to old regimes. Seeing them so regularly bend to the will of voters isn't a horrible thing.

> Companies that want to make money need to keep on the good side of people in power. But isn't that how democracy works? No, that's how a republic might work. In democracy companies are not allowed to yield such power, and people elected can be revoked at any time....

What's your definition of “republic” here? You seem to see it as an opposite to democracy. I'd posit that democracy and republic (in the true sense of res publica, “public affair”) cannot be separated.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by apocalypstyx » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

ndjdjxjsjdjdhd wrote: post #32

> involving use of our platform to incite violent insurrection against a democratically elected government. From my understanding the video that got banned asked everyone to go home peacefully but then continued to claim election fraud?

It's like saying: your spouse is being assaulted, stay peaceful and go home.

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Post by Bantros » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

efdee wrote: post #430

mechnesium wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, all he said was: "Big Protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!" Protest is protected by the first amendment.

In what world is a call for a "wild protest" not a call for violence?

Saying a big protest will be wild is a call for violence now.

Psuedo-reality

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by jopsen » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #485

awb wrote: post #427

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Since the election results became apparent cable outlets have begun cutting away from the President’s speeches and tech companies have begun censoring the President’s speech. Absolutely nothing has changed in the President’s speech or behavior since his 1st speech announcing his candidacy 5 years ago. We needed a John Hancock 5 years ago that was willing to draw a line on violent speech and disinformation regardless…

Context matters. What Trump did over the last 5 years pales in comparison to what he is doing now. The effortless transition of power is the most fundamental and sacrosanct process in a democracy. And everyone has an obligation to defend it.

So true,

Even if the US election often seems like a coin flip, the fact that it only lasts 4 or 8 years means that a wrong flip doesn't matter so much.

This is probably pretty important, as it's well known that Americans like to exhaust all other options before doing the right thing ;)

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by newacct583 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

danaris wrote: post #550

charia wrote: post #310

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So uh, who's going to be the arbiter of what exactly constitutes intolerant or harmful speech? You? Me? Facebook? The government? Twitter? Whoever gets the power to define what's acceptable and not acceptable speech is given too much power. You might trust that arbiter now, tomorrow, but do you honestly believe their incentives will always remain pure?

The government makes rules laying out the worst extremes: for instance, no direct incitement to violence. Facebook makes rules for what, above and beyond that , is not allowed on Facebook. Twitter makes rules for what, above and beyond the government's rules, is not allowed on Twitter. This... really isn't hard.

> for instance, no direct incitement to violence

It's worth pointing out that Trump's videos yesterday -- praising the people who had just attacked and sacked the Capitol Building during a joint session of congress and conspicuously refusing to demand they leave -- were probably legally an incitement to violence regardless. Certainly normal prosecutors could get convictions on that sort of thing[1] in normal courts. The only reason it seems gray is because the speaker is the President.

[1] Remember that in context they were at the capitol because Trump himself, in person, had directed they march there just an hour before. I mean, really, that's pretty open-and-shut as far as mens rea.

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Post by d0mdo0ss » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

technofiend wrote: post #241

I know Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and all the rest don't count as broadcast media but I feel like we got here in part because the 1987 elimination of FCC's fairness doctrine slowly allowed a shift in how we communicate with each other. We went from specious claims and conspiracy theories being the subject matter of newsletters to their public broadcast to millions via talk radio ~and Fox News~, thus allowin…

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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by djsumdog » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

apocalypstyx wrote: post #542

dstola wrote: post #457

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I don't think there is any reason to exaggerate. People have a will and a right to protest against their perceived injustice at a state or federal level. A coup also usually involves the military and a taking of government by force, neither of which happened yesterday. If this were a coup then the BLM "protests" over the summer were also a coup, and they were causing significantly more damage to small business with d…

When did BLM protestors force their way into a capital building with the express goal of overturning the results of an election?

Do you really think Trump protesters wanted to overthrow an election result by breaking into a building? Have you seen the videos of Capitol Police removing barriers and leading them into the buildings, or some of them taking selfies with the protestors?

Either the Capitol Police are fucking terrible incompetent or they wanted this to happen.

BLM rioters burned down a police station in Minneapolis/St Paul. They took over 6 square blocks in Seattle and their "community police" shot up a Jeep killing a 14 year old boy and removed all the evidence (https://battlepenguin.video/videos/watch/9f81cd38-3ee9-4f26-...).

These people walked into a public building and everyone is upset because they walked around the sacred halls of the rich and powerful; the house of the people. It was peasants in the castle and we can't have that.

Was it wrong? absolutely. That's why the vast majority of people stayed outside.

Oh and a woman was shot by that incompetent Capitol Security force. It's okay though because her life didn't matter since she's white. I'm pretty sure it was her fault because victim blaming is alright if the victim is a privileged air force veteran and isn't an oppressed minority.