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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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post #254

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When you're more or less encouraging a coup, the "fire in a crowded theater" analogy couldn't be more applicable.

I'm sure you were advocating for the silencing of BLM leaders who were encouraging violence during recent months too...

This was a coup attempt that involved breaking into congress to stop presidential succession. Are you suggesting the two are comparable?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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post #69

Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

There's no meaningful difference between Joe Biden's status yesterday and his status today. I get that pretending otherwise is a good way to frame FB in a negative light, fine, but it's also weirdly close to the deluded thinking of the people who attacked the Capitol building.

No difference for Biden, but a significant difference for the Senate, who staff panels with the power to investigate Facebook.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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I know Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and all the rest don't count as broadcast media but I feel like we got here in part because the 1987 elimination of FCC's fairness doctrine slowly allowed a shift in how we communicate with each other. We went from specious claims and conspiracy theories being the subject matter of newsletters to their public broadcast to millions via talk radio ~and Fox News~, thus allowin…

Matt Taibbi talks about all this in his book Hate Inc. The 24/7 news networks needed new stuff to sell since the USSR was out. Turns out just general outrage at every little thing works good.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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post #69

Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

>> time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners

That is the system. Companies that want to make money need to keep on the good side of people in power. But isn't that how democracy works? Better that they adapt to every incoming elected administration than have them hold loyalties to old regimes. Seeing them so regularly bend to the will of voters isn't a horrible thing.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#295
post #101

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Yet there was no censorship occurring when the left \b\b\b\b opposing side was encouraging domestic terrorism.

When did a leftist public official go on Facebook and encourage protesters to smash store windows and set cars on fire? Can you give some examples?

https://twitter.com/jordylancaster/status/129861639956959232...

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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post #212

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Why aren’t we blaming anyone that died at CHAZ/CHOP on BLM? It’s hard not to see the bending-over-backwards academic justifications for why we shouldn’t be suppressing riots last year as anything other than the pretext and lead up to what’s happening now. I’m not calling legitimate protesting riots - rather the media was fully complicit with ignoring blatant rioting last year. Buildings were burning and government bu…

Because tribal affiliation is completely unassailable by logic. We are all still tribal, barely evolved monkeys, and our manifold cerebral cortex is merely a tool to invent rationalizations for the tribal emotions that well up from our limbic system. This is, of course, on both sides. On HN, the effect is even more pronounced, because "I am smart, therefore my opinions are more valid than average" coincides with "I h…

Thanks for this! Someone gets it.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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I don't support how Trump has handled the election. Before, after, during. We would all be better off if he would stop this and uphold our tradition of peaceful transition of power. What I'm not seeing the media talk about is what difference does or does not exist between a group of people breaking into the capital (a political event at a political location) vs. cordoning off parts of a city, burning businesses, etc.…

The difference is massive. Destruction of property is an inconvenience. Literally interrupting the Congress' Constitutional duties is a whole new ball game. It is essentially the difference between vandalism and sedition.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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post #281

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See for yourself: https://nypost.com/2021/01/06/trump-releases-statement-telli... Someone described this video as taking a log off the fire while simultaneously pouring gasoline which I think is a fair characterization.

Can you explain? I don't think it's constructive to hide behind analogy and cliche when you could come out and tell us the causes and effects that you think are happening here.

I think the video will further instill anger in his supporters and possibly if not probably lead to greater acts of political violence. Hence the claim it violates their terms of service.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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I don't like the thought of trillion-dollar advertising companies being the custodians of the platforms where (sadly) a majority of speech in the world happens. That being said, if direct calls to violence and to insurrection against a democracy aren't grounds to take away your megaphone, then what is? If you're a free speech maximalist you'll be opposed to any sort of "censorship" (then again, people with those view…

I feel the same way. It's a bad world we live in where tech companies have to moderate the speech of everyone, but until we're out of that situation (thanks to decentralization), then reducing hate and speech that causes harm is the right move.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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post #256

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Also, now this will overshadow the WhatsApp blunder. Great timing.

Whatsapp doesn't have enough penetration in the US for that to have ever mattered. I'd watch the EU for news on that front.

Elon Musk was publicly bashing Facebook a few hours ago. We already have 3 threads on front page here. The more this bad press happens the more people become aware of Facebook's malpractices and better it is for everyone in long run.

This stunt will put WhatsApp blunder on back burner and it is exactly the kind of thing that Facebook does to spin the narrative.

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