Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by djsumdog » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:25 PM UTC

jcranmer wrote: post #484

tetrometal wrote: post #378

What is unbelievable about that? It's completely reasonable. People were pissed about lack of election transparency. All they wanted were real audits of the election, but all they got was "Shut up, go home, there's no evidence, stop looking into things."

> All they wanted were real audits of the election So the actual audits done in response to the proper challenges under proper statutory authority that did not find that there was anything sufficiently wrong to overturn the results of the election (and, in many cases, concluded that there wasn't even anything wrong in the first place) are not real audits? Having actually read several of the lawsuits filed (mostly tho…

There was no paper ballot recount in Georgia. They recounted the images of the ballots, so if the videos of them getting run through 7 times are true, we wouldn't know. If they released the images, which GA said they would do, we could see the same serial numbers repeated. They've refused to.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by suyash » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:25 PM UTC

aprdm wrote: post #44

Regardless of being the right thing to do or not, it is very interesting to see a software platform banning a president of a country. Interesting times.

I can see it only going to get worse from here, if social media companies powers go unchecked.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by colorboy » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:25 PM UTC

Isn't it what China does Ban speech in fear of violent atmosphere

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by vehemenz » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:25 PM UTC

andrewclunn wrote: post #106

kevinmgranger wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you're more or less encouraging a coup, the "fire in a crowded theater" analogy couldn't be more applicable.

Ah yes, either Trump is a cult leader who is threatening the very core of our democracy, or the election was rigged and we're about to get a Chinese style Manchurian candidate in the White House. I'm so glad that the media vigorously looked into these allegations of corruption and fraud, instead of dismissing them for partisan reasons, because then we might have a split, between people who get their information from…

Rhetorically, you are suggesting that Trump is not a cult leader threatening the very core of our democracy.

If that's the position you support, then you have quite a lot of work ahead of you.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by jayd16 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:26 PM UTC

hairytrog wrote: post #532

klank wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem I see with that line of argument is that it basically means you're arguing we can't do anything about it and just have to accept whatever actions people take regardless of the impacts of those actions. It reads to me like "it's hard, so let us just do nothing".

That's right. You have to have a society with enough moral fiber that it self-polices and restrains itself almost down to the individual level.

When even downvotes are considered censorship what form of self policing society can exist?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by dionian » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:26 PM UTC

th0ma5 wrote: post #231

All of these HN comments are defending shouting "Fire!" falsely in a theater under the guise of it being a slippery slope before all speech is lost. I have lost a lot of respect for these slippery slope arguments because they are easy to make and ignore the obvious problem which is that some speech shouldn't be tolerated... Especially intolerant or harmful speech.

For example, saying we should march on congress and 'cheer on' congress?

The problem is you will brand anything you dont like as intolerant or hate, and might makes right!

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by Merman_Mike » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:26 PM UTC

pixxel wrote: post #425

Kapura wrote: post #315

This is pathetic, and I would be embarrassed to be a Facebook employee after what has transpired over the past 5 years. Extremely too little too late. The damage has already been done, and done, and done. Over and over again. Journalism is a husk of what it was before Facebook's algorithms became the primary way many consume news. Engagement as the key performance metric has damaged the human project. This company ca…

I personally know of two companies that actively refuse to interview recent Facebook employees. Of course most companies see Facebook employment as a positive.

+1

My team actively screens out FB applicants.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by dionian » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:26 PM UTC

charia wrote: post #310

th0ma5 wrote: post #231

All of these HN comments are defending shouting "Fire!" falsely in a theater under the guise of it being a slippery slope before all speech is lost. I have lost a lot of respect for these slippery slope arguments because they are easy to make and ignore the obvious problem which is that some speech shouldn't be tolerated... Especially intolerant or harmful speech.

So uh, who's going to be the arbiter of what exactly constitutes intolerant or harmful speech? You? Me? Facebook? The government? Twitter? Whoever gets the power to define what's acceptable and not acceptable speech is given too much power. You might trust that arbiter now, tomorrow, but do you honestly believe their incentives will always remain pure?

Bingo. It may be tempting to take control of speech and think it wont backfire against you one day, but it will

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by NE2z2T9qi » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:26 PM UTC

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #313

hartator wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Less taxes, no new wars, and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 seems pretty center right to me.

I didn't mention his policies why do you think they're relevant? I said 'behaviour' and what I meant is that his incitement to violence is beyond the pale. FB, Twitter and many other people agree. It's obviously a value judgement but not a particularly difficult one.

Provide evidence please. Give me a example of where Trump called for violence

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by mikkergp » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

klank wrote: post #438

charia wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So uh, who's going to be the arbiter of what exactly constitutes intolerant or harmful speech? You? Me? Facebook? The government? Twitter? Whoever gets the power to define what's acceptable and not acceptable speech is given too much power. You might trust that arbiter now, tomorrow, but do you honestly believe their incentives will always remain pure?

The problem I see with that line of argument is that it basically means you're arguing we can't do anything about it and just have to accept whatever actions people take regardless of the impacts of those actions. It reads to me like "it's hard, so let us just do nothing".

I mean, Facebook just suspended Trump, so it seems like we are doing something, we’re just arguing about where the lines should be. I don’t think it’s wrong to note that revolutionary ideas both good and bad come from the fringes and that some consequential positive influences might be deplatformed in the future. This is one of the few times in history the “good guys” have had the power to control the narrative. We should acknowledge that.