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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by at-fates-hands » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

ChrisLomont wrote: post #386

hartator wrote: post #218

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What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Less taxes, no new wars, and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 seems pretty center right to me.

> Less taxes, Paid for by running up record deficits - which is the opposite of what the right claimed to stand for, and which Trump directly ran on. And those taxes expire for the people, showing who Trump really worked for in this case. >no new wars, Yet destabilizing many areas of the world, leaving it in the opinion of some countries in a much less peaceful place. Here's Germany putting Trump as "Greatest Threat…

>> Trump also fought states having the right to their own election rules.

Its clearly stated in the constitution that if states change their election laws, then they need to go through the legislature in order to do so. GA, WI. MI and PA ALL made changes WITHOUT going through the legislature. Why? Because in each of those states, the legislature was controlled by Republicans.

The fact they changed their laws the way they did is a clear cut violation of the constitution, it's not even debatable.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

b-etran wrote: post #357

finder83 wrote: post #324

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Do you have examples of the direct calls to violence and insurrection? Supposedly there were three tweets that Twitter required trump to delete, but I don't see the actual text of them anywhere.

Here's the transcript of the deleted video statemenet: "I know your pain. Your hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never…

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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by cycrutchfield » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

textech wrote: post #494

Facebook, Twitter and the rest shouldn't act like arbiters of truth. I think this is just plain wrong and a slippery slope for the entire industry.

They don’t have to allow their platforms to be used to incite violence or insurrection. That’s their choice. You’re welcome to go to the cesspool that is Parler if you want to make violent threats.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by NickGott » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

jccalhoun wrote: post #132

When people say anonymity online is bad and that having people use their real names would make people more polite, I point them to facebook comments.

People are incredibly mean and nasty to each other on nextdoor in my neighborhood, and they literally live down the street from one another.

You're completely right, it's not anonymity that causes people to act like this, it's the fact that we as humans can't perceive text on a screen as another human being that activates the empathy center in our brains. Coronavirus has made this 100X worse as people are losing their humanity being locked away from everyone else.

I've had some of my best social interaction recently on VRChat of all places as it gets the closest of anything I've found so far of making it feel like there's actually a human being in front of you.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by prox » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #485

awb wrote: post #427

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Since the election results became apparent cable outlets have begun cutting away from the President’s speeches and tech companies have begun censoring the President’s speech. Absolutely nothing has changed in the President’s speech or behavior since his 1st speech announcing his candidacy 5 years ago. We needed a John Hancock 5 years ago that was willing to draw a line on violent speech and disinformation regardless…

Context matters. What Trump did over the last 5 years pales in comparison to what he is doing now. The effortless transition of power is the most fundamental and sacrosanct process in a democracy. And everyone has an obligation to defend it.

It’s literally what he has sworn to defend at the inauguration.

Instead we got this tweet “Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election," he tweeted. "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"

He has sworn duty to not incite the crowd, no matter how much he thinks he has lost. That’s what the courts are for (which he tried and lost) and even many,many recounts (which didn’t move the needle noticeably) and that is what the democratic process is for.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by triceratops » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

hartator wrote: post #218

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #140

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Like Trump is just a regular president of a country. It's not surprising at all given his behavior. Being president doesn't excuse it.

What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Less taxes, no new wars, and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 seems pretty center right to me.

> Less taxes,

My taxes went up.

> leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19

This one especially.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by matz1 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

minimaxir wrote: post #331

matz1 wrote: post #276

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> which is that some speech shouldn't be tolerated who get to decide what should/shouln't be tolerated ? harmful/harmful ? facebook ?

"Inciting a coup" is a pretty unambiguous bar for harmful speech.

Apparently not, in this thread alone, there is plenty of people who disagree let alone harmful.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by youeseh » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

technofiend wrote: post #241

I know Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and all the rest don't count as broadcast media but I feel like we got here in part because the 1987 elimination of FCC's fairness doctrine slowly allowed a shift in how we communicate with each other. We went from specious claims and conspiracy theories being the subject matter of newsletters to their public broadcast to millions via talk radio ~and Fox News~, thus allowin…

Traditional TV and Print News Media gets the most eyeballs when they are controversial. Fox, CNN, MSNBC all do everything they can to coddle their specific segment. They phrase and comment on the news in a way that'll either excite their segment when they think it'll benefit and soften the blow whenever they think it'll hurt.

And no, none of them appeal to a general audience. The ads that each network displays will tell you exactly who their specific audience is.

Twitter's audience is narrow: Most of the people I know (across countries, religions, genders, professions) do not have a Twitter account. So, they make decisions that suit their userbase, which is significantly narrower than Facebook's.

Facebook user base is closer to the general public. Unfortunately, their platform also enables an echo chamber. So, they have a tough job to do and in this regard. They have to be careful about whom to censor. Whatever they choose will be closer the law. I think they're trying their best.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by sandworm101 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

chasd00 wrote: post #492

wincy wrote: post #290

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My guess is Trump is going to create his own media company to compete/destroy Fox News.

yep, i made the same prediction in another thread. To go further, i bet it will be and livestreaming commentary on inauguration day and probably outperform the actual inauguration in terms of viewership.

I think the opposite will happen. He will be so sad angry that he will retreat into a world which he can completely control. I bet he will spend that time alone inside one of his gold-plated golf resorts.

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Post by wizzwizz4 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

oedoedxef wrote: post #210

andrepd wrote: post #190

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Funny how "I should be able to say what I please" and "I should be able to say what I please AND have no-one challenge me or criticise me" are so conflated. Don't dish it if you can't take it.

I'm fully able to take the parent's criticism. However, those who are downvoting me so that my post will be hidden, clearly are not able to accept criticism.

I'm downvoting you because you're trying to shame the people who are doing so, and I'm Spartacus.