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Honest question: does anyone think this would have happened if Twitter and Facebook did not exist?

If Social media and the news media were not around to radicalize and polarize Americans, this would not have happened along with many other events this year :)

Including making someone wonder when reading your username[0] xD

0: https://greatawakening.win/

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How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

Being a member of the "liberal elite" (I think I am) I think it is our fault. We lost our mojo. We forgot that leadership is not leaving anybody behind. We left a lot of people behind, then we blamed them for not keeping up. Sorry, on behalf of my class, I really am sorry. The consequences, when we face ecological catastrophe, could be very serious indeed. Stay safe, people, and be kind

> We left a lot of people behind, then we blamed them for not keeping up.

Haven't they been demanding to be left behind every step of the way? For decades they've opposed minimum wage, socialized healthcare, welfare, unions and just about anything "socialist" that would have helped them. Couple that with ever increasing urbanization that is not going to be reversed anytime soon, what could you possibly do to help them not be left behind?

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#903

Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen? I haven't seen any evidence, most of the lawsuits haven't borne fruit either. However, I also recognize that there may be blindspots/biases. I'd really like to hear from anyone who believes this, to present a cogent argument. I promise not to attack. I want to hear the argument from the other side. I also beseech the rest of HN to please refrain from a…

I’ve seen the Georgia video with the black containers placed under a table. After all the poll watchers were asked to leave, the table is moved out of the way and ballots were pulled out of the containers. Nobody has explained that from what I’ve read and it doesn’t really make any sense why it was hidden and why was it pulled out after all the witnesses were asked to leave at the end of the night?

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How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

I blame the internet. Back in the days before it, we had to learn to live with those around us, now you can just go out and find someone as equally stupid as yourself.

I call it the toaster fucker problem. Man wakes up in 1980, tells his friends "I want to fuck a toaster" Friends quite rightly berate and laugh at him, guy deals with it, maybe gets some therapy and goes on a bit better adjusted.

Guy in 2021 tells his friends that he wants to fuck a toaster, gets laughed at, immediately jumps on facebook and finds "Toaster Fucker Support group" where he reads that he's actually oppressed and he needs to cut out everyone around him and should only listen to his fellow toaster fuckers.

Apply this analogy to literally any insular bubble, it applies as equally to /r/thedonald as it does to the emaciated Che Guevara larpers that cry thinking about ringing their favourite pizza place.

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How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

The two realities existed at the founding of the country (probably since forever). One reality requires evidence, one requires belief. They are hard to reconcile. Galileo vs The Pope.

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#906

I wonder if historians will see Gamergate as the start of all this. It's a meme on 4chan right now that this is the case and I can see the lineage.

What? That's ridiculous. How is everyone on Hacker News so miseducated? This goes back to real inequity, even if the details are beyond the folks currently storming the capitol building.

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#907
Spend 12 years telling anyone against the political establishment they're all matter of -ists/-phobes and then tell them leading up to the election that they'll be gulag'd and yeah, of course this is gonna happen.

This is chickens coming home to roost, Democrats have been so busy egging on violent riots in the poor areas of town that they've created an atmosphere where those actually affected by heavy handed government actions are going to see this as the only way out.

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How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

I blame the internet. Back in the days before it, we had to learn to live with those around us, now you can just go out and find someone as equally stupid as yourself. I call it the toaster fucker problem. Man wakes up in 1980, tells his friends "I want to fuck a toaster" Friends quite rightly berate and laugh at him, guy deals with it, maybe gets some therapy and goes on a bit better adjusted. Guy in 2021 tells his…

I completely agree with you.

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> Flagged Does anything matter if this doesn't? The chat is fairly civil.

Yeah, I was thinking this. Is it not possible to vouch for a post? It's a bit more important than the usual "political" posts that get flagged.

It used to be possible, not anymore.

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How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

Having a trustworthy election process might go a long way (voter ID, regular verification when doubts arise etc.). As a European I find the images from Georgia's vote counting absolutely astonishing.

It’s incredible we don’t have cameras recording every step of the counting process.
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