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U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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It's the practical erosion of Free Speech. Liberal (small "l" liberal) democracy and liberal science thrives on members: 1. Being willing to admit they may be wrong 2. Having access to a diverse information diet But the past two decades have shown erosion of not only legal Free Speech, but practical free speech: * Whereas previously they were just ignored (or even rebutted), today employees, students, and professors…

I would heartily agree and go a bit further. Over the last three decades, news organizations have traded in their neutrality and integrity for political and "narrative" influence. It is exceedingly difficult to find information presented without some attempt to mislead. The short version: There are no more Walter Cronkites or Edward R. Murrows the nation trusts to present the news without filter or spin. That coupled…

Fox News was specifically designed and built to be the media arm of the Republican party. This was by design, created from the ground up as a long term play. In its case, it was not a natural shift of narrative influence or a trade-in for the viewer numbers.

Rupert Murdock called on Republican political strategist Roger Ailes in 1996 when creating Fox News. Ailes launched and then ran Fox News as its CEO for decades.

This is the same guy who worked as a media adviser to basically every successful Republican presidential campaign.. Nixon, Reagan, Bush.. and even Trump (before Ailes died, and after a sexual misconduct scandal finally got him canned at Fox).

Ailes was so influential as a strategist that he was even credited for one of Bush senior's wins back in the day. And he built and reigned at Fox News for 20+ years.

So we had a major republican political operator put in charge of a news network by a global political operator (Murdoch) who only got US citizenship as it was a requirement for US television station ownership. And who had a history of using his media empire to shape political narrative for influence.

The frustrating thing is that Murdoch's influence shaping has always been more about accumulating power than towards spreading specific ideology. In Australia in the 60s and 70s, he backed the faction pushing for universal free health care, free college education for all Australians, and public ownership of Australia's oil, gas and mineral resources.

Sounds very un-Fox-like, doesn't it? It was the in-road to political power, the faction that would get him the most influence by supporting. There was a write-up some years ago in the UK that delves a bit more into his history (as he has also been peddling influence in the UK for decades as well):

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/a-man-of-selfish-lo...

But tying this back to Fox News.. he came to the US, built a TV network and used that foundation to build a news station. This was a push to become a major political controller by building and embedding Fox News as the media arm of the Republican party.

They used this to condition their base. The lead-up to today is decades of people turning on FOX to watch Geraldo, sticking around for the news, then wandering off with talking points stuffed into their heads by influencers with an agenda who were presenting the news.

And the strategy was so successful that it generates mimics to the model. The most evil I see is Sinclair Media buying up local news stations and putting the same talking points into the mouths of local pundits across the nation. There's a creepy video compilation that highlights the tactics of this influence machinery by showing clips from each of these local news outlets with different talking heads each repeating the same points.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

#632

It's the practical erosion of Free Speech. Liberal (small "l" liberal) democracy and liberal science thrives on members: 1. Being willing to admit they may be wrong 2. Having access to a diverse information diet But the past two decades have shown erosion of not only legal Free Speech, but practical free speech: * Whereas previously they were just ignored (or even rebutted), today employees, students, and professors…

lmao it really takes a good amount of brainwashing to think that a fascist militia invading your government's headquarters is because of political correctness . Like, step outside your own little head bubble and take a fucking look around your country. Your police were entirely happy to shoot and injure black protestors in the summer; the same protestors you are maligning as "hurting free speech". There's a reason wh…

If I had to pick just one reason, to just get really reductive about it and off the top of my head, it's because this group is armed. You didn't see the police giving the Black militia NFAC any beef.

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It's the practical erosion of Free Speech. Liberal (small "l" liberal) democracy and liberal science thrives on members: 1. Being willing to admit they may be wrong 2. Having access to a diverse information diet But the past two decades have shown erosion of not only legal Free Speech, but practical free speech: * Whereas previously they were just ignored (or even rebutted), today employees, students, and professors…

" this is the price we pay for abandoning free speech." This is completely upside down. This is not the 'erosion of free speech' - it's actually the 'explosion' of it. Free from any kind of filters of credibility, people can now promote whatever fictions they want to promote. When fictions are emboldened by those in positions of legitimate authority, aka The President, the truth falls by the side. The ratio of 'noise…

Can’t believe I had to scroll so far to find a comment like this. This is absolutely nothing to do with a limit on free speech but a failing of education and the explosion of free speech on social media.

To be flippant, there are more village idiots than ever before and they are all talking to each other on the internet.

The solution to this, in my opinion, is a massive investment in public education and a shift of American politics to the left. America doesn’t have a left and a right, it has a far right and a right. In the UK American democrats would be very comfortable in the UK Conservative party.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

#634

It's the practical erosion of Free Speech. Liberal (small "l" liberal) democracy and liberal science thrives on members: 1. Being willing to admit they may be wrong 2. Having access to a diverse information diet But the past two decades have shown erosion of not only legal Free Speech, but practical free speech: * Whereas previously they were just ignored (or even rebutted), today employees, students, and professors…

I would add 3. The anonymity of online identity. People behave very differently when they perceive they are anonymous. Perhaps this is a version of mob psychology/dynamics where the anonymity of the collective causes people to act in ways that they normally wouldn't.

> People behave very differently when they perceive they are anonymous.

I don't know about that. I see people on FB who are accurately identified by their real name who have no problem whatsoever expressing "F*ck your feelings" to people who are ostensibly their friends. Lack of anonymity doesn't seem to have helped.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

#635

Arguably this is the first successful assault on the capital building since 1814, when British troops took over Washington DC and burned the White House down.

There was an shooting attack in the Capitol in 1954 that injured 5 members of congress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_United_States_Capitol_sho...

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#636

History in the making right here. This[1] might be an early contender for image of the year [1] https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1346906369232920576/pho...

I rather prefer this one, from the same thread - better composition, and the CSA flag adds some oomph

https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1346902299466203145

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

Its not two realities. Its one population chunk living in reality and one chunk living in a misinformation fueled delusion. Special interests have managed to weaponize social media and misinformation. It started with allowing blatant lying and partisan propoganda to be framed as impartial news because deliberate mass misinformation is apparently free speech. Now the cat is out of the bag and the only way back is strong regulation of social and news media.

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#638

The riot is winding down. The Capitol Police cleared the building hours ago, and many of the crowd just hanging around have left. More cops from Virginia and DC have arrived, and are slowly pushing the remaining crowd back. Tomorrow, Congress will finish counting the electoral votes. I suspect that some, if not all, of the planned objections will not be made.

I sure hope so. There were dudes inside Congress waving rebel flags. Trump and friends probably didn't count on that when they were posturing on Twitter.

Hopefully, that scares them straight and cools some heads. And not just Trump, but the entire political class who've been playing loose with divisive/identity politics for the last decade.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

I just finished Lippmann’s 1922 classic Public Opinion. In it he argues that different people may draw completely different conclusions from the same facts due to three things:

1. Sampling. There’s a big universe of facts, and each media outlet reports on a tiny piece of this universe.

2. Stereotypes. When you read a news story, you unconsciously pattern match and associate it to related examples you have in your mind.

3. Context. When you read a news story, you subconsciously have some fascet of your own identity in mind (as a Republican, as a pro-choice person, etc.).

All three are in effect when stories are reported on and consumed. It’s a series of lenses that samples, then distorts, the truth in a way that given the same real-world event, different people may come to completely different conclusions about what happened.

I’d add a #4: fake news. This amplifies #1 significantly. It was less of a problem in Lippmann’s time since the News world was much smaller. He might have called this “rumor”, not news.

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#640

All I want to contribute to this is that if you think CNN is any different/better than Fox News you're part of the problem. They're both insanely biased echo chambers. It's so blatantly obvious too. After finding some propaganda to bash Trump with every single day for the past five years, they'll never once in the next four years ever report a negative story about Biden or his administration. Please, go ahead and cou…

> All I want to contribute to this is that if you think CNN is any different/better than Fox News you're part of the problem. They're both insanely biased echo chambers. It's so blatantly obvious too. After finding some propaganda to bash Trump with every single day for the past five years, they'll never once in the next four years ever report a negative story about Biden or his administration. Please, go ahead and count how many times it happens. This is something you can verify yourself! Of course the bias rabbit hole goes so much deeper than just that, but they're so blatantly, demonstrably, biased that the fact that anyone considers them relatively impartial journalism, any better than Fox News, makes me lose so much hope.

What does this have to do with the storming of the capital?

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