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Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Money and strategy talks If only Nokia hadn't got dragged down by the Symbian fools

Have you heard of the "Burning platform" memo?

Have you read "Paranoidi optimisti" by Risto Siilasmaa? All the big problems software wise were cause by Symbian.

"Unfortunately, this was only the tip of the iceberg. Siilasmaa later learned that the overall build time of Symbian was two weeks." https://www.flashover.blog/posts/technical-debt/

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Money and strategy talks If only Nokia hadn't got dragged down by the Symbian fools

Have you heard of the "Burning platform" memo?

Yep, and being in Espoo the week it was published, I can tell no one was that happy with it, specially after the push to modernize Symbian with Qt.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Maybe not single out China, but many people think China is particularly untrustworthy: they insist Chinese law is used outside China, and lecture people how they should refer to China in public; they operate concentration camps; the Chinese language has no word for *mutuality*, China benefits from free speech and access to institutions in the West but doesn't allow the same in China for journalists or businessmen; Ch…

Here's me being European and thinking, how many of these could be applied to USA as well. At least Xi Jinping is a properly ruthless politician, his thinner-skinned equivalent in the USA is just a fucking idiot running around screaming. Yeah, yeah, "whataboutism". BTW, Chinese values, or Chinese government values? I'm sure the average Chinese would speak up if they knew they wouldn't end up in reeducation camp. Yeah…

I'll give you another example. A man was removed from a Polish reality TV show because he had been accused of rape outside Poland. The TV station was TVN, owned by US. The participant had received a sexual favor from a 16 year old. The age of consent in Poland is 15.

I'm not impressed by ruthless politicians. Ruthlessness is good for action movie thrills. It takes much more skill and leadership to forge compromises and unite people using respect. By the way Spartans sucked even at combat, they just had really good PR. No matter how you slice it, they were completely average, even if you exclude naval battles or battles which included their allies.

(extremely long reads for those interested in history)

https://acoup.blog/2019/08/16/collections-this-isnt-sparta-p...

https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-...

re: whataboutism. Whataboutism has no place here because it's not even on the same order of magnitude. You're comparing tons to kilograms. We don't even know the full extent of what China is doing because free press is not allowed to operate there, doctors and journalists get sentences.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Not surprising after I saw how many R&D offices Huawei has in Europe. They basically placed their offices right across their competitors like Ericsson, Nokia, Imagination, etc. to the point that in every European Tech hub you will find a Huawei office.

Also, Huawei are building a 500 acre R&D facility next to the ARM headquarters in Cambridge, UK.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Honestly, people seem to forget that this happened. They lose their shit at the slightest mention of Huawei/China but don't even have an issue using software released by the NSA[0]. Unpopular opinion, but if I had to choose between China and the U.S. spying on me, I would pick the one who's less likely to have me extradited from whatever country I am in or ban me from flying. 0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghidra

So you choose the US?

I understood china.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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post #14

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Maybe not single out China, but many people think China is particularly untrustworthy: they insist Chinese law is used outside China, and lecture people how they should refer to China in public; they operate concentration camps; the Chinese language has no word for *mutuality*, China benefits from free speech and access to institutions in the West but doesn't allow the same in China for journalists or businessmen; Ch…

Here's me being European and thinking, how many of these could be applied to USA as well. At least Xi Jinping is a properly ruthless politician, his thinner-skinned equivalent in the USA is just a fucking idiot running around screaming. Yeah, yeah, "whataboutism". BTW, Chinese values, or Chinese government values? I'm sure the average Chinese would speak up if they knew they wouldn't end up in reeducation camp. Yeah…

> I'm sure the average Chinese would speak up if they knew they wouldn't end up in reeducation camp

What is the average standard of living in China 50 years ago vs today? There has been remarkable growth for millions of people. If your standard of living was 10x your parents, you might not view life as that bad?

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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post #14

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Maybe not single out China, but many people think China is particularly untrustworthy: they insist Chinese law is used outside China, and lecture people how they should refer to China in public; they operate concentration camps; the Chinese language has no word for *mutuality*, China benefits from free speech and access to institutions in the West but doesn't allow the same in China for journalists or businessmen; Ch…

> they insist Chinese law is used outside China They're touchy about people recognizing what they view as separatist movements, but that's relatively minor compared to, say, the United States forcing its sanctions policy on the rest of the world. Everyone around the world is afraid of doing business with Cuba, Iran, Huawei, and other targets of US sanctions, because the US aggressively applies secondary sanctions. Th…

> The US is even sanctioning Germany

The US has not sanctioned Germany. E.g. a US company subject to the EU Global Human Rights sanctions regime does not mean the EU is sanctioning the US.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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> they insist Chinese law is used outside China They're touchy about people recognizing what they view as separatist movements, but that's relatively minor compared to, say, the United States forcing its sanctions policy on the rest of the world. Everyone around the world is afraid of doing business with Cuba, Iran, Huawei, and other targets of US sanctions, because the US aggressively applies secondary sanctions. Th…

Ever heard that Taiwan is doing a stellar job holding off coronavirus? No, because China presses WHO into not mentioning Taiwan. We could learn a lot from Taiwan. China doesn't just boycott Taiwan, it makes others act as if the country doesn't exist. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/taiwan

Taiwan is not a country in China's eyes. Technically Taiwan is really not a country but works like one since 1949. If you follow Winnie the Poh closely enough, he has claimed "Taiwan problem will not be passed onto next generation". My personal estimate is that Taiwan will be taken by force within 20 years.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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What can congress do? They're already blacklisted. The only thing left is to shoot your own foot. Maybe avoid that? I've seen nothing logical that came out of Trumps silly blacklisting except cashing out on the reputation the US had for pennies on the dollar. China is destined to be Europe and the US combined in term of tech. Time will tell if their culture causes problem for them. Smart high intelligence people + st…

Suggesting that human intelligence varies by race is a very old, very debunked idea that no-one believes any more outside of some small racist cliques.

This comment should be voted down; it is inline with the current social attitudes in the US but it is scientifically not true. Nothing has been debunked. What we do know is IQ is heritable AND China has people with High IQ. Whether IQ is inherited for chinas case or whether IQ is a good quantitative measure for intelligence is not formally established but the parent-parent poster does not make an unrealistic proposition. I may get voted down on this but shame on people who voted this up for supporting a social ideal over the cold hard truth. Nothing has been debunked.

Genetics control how we look physically across all races, there is no black magic that suddenly makes every race equal in intelligence and behavior while only controlling for physical differences. Uphold your social ideals but don’t let your ideals blind you from the cold hard truth.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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How is security taken care of when contributions are being done by Huawei (backdoors in 41k lines of sourcode?)? But I am guessing there is no real fight between open source software and state actors - perhaps someone who knows more about the security of the kernel can comment.

Normally the identity of contributors is not really checked when you want to contribute to an open source project. A valid email address and a name is sufficient to contribute to the Linux kernel. All changes to The Linux kernel are getting publicly reviewed, so the hard thing is passing this technical review if you want to introduce a backdoor. If people know you, based on previous contributions, the review could be…

I would expect that malicious code would itself not be a proper backdoor, but rather a framework or hook or API that makes it easier to bypass restrictions. Subtle behavioral changes in the kernel combined with user space code could empower a state actor to move unnoticed. I think of it like 20 parts of a munition. Each piece by itself may look mostly harmless. This is all theory of course, but that is how I would do something malicious in the kernel. A theoretical example would be a simple kernel API combined with something like systemd's binfmt mount and a benign looking PNG image file that when parsed by binfmt, instructs the kernel to do something interesting such as tickle an undocumented CPU instruction.
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