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Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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How is security taken care of when contributions are being done by Huawei (backdoors in 41k lines of sourcode?)? But I am guessing there is no real fight between open source software and state actors - perhaps someone who knows more about the security of the kernel can comment.

If a state actor really wants to do it and someone could get it past reviews, I am sure they could bribe any contributor from any country (including US). Why single out China? We never raised concerns with Russian contributors.

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Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Gonna be great when Congress gets word of this

What can congress do? They're already blacklisted. The only thing left is to shoot your own foot. Maybe avoid that? I've seen nothing logical that came out of Trumps silly blacklisting except cashing out on the reputation the US had for pennies on the dollar. China is destined to be Europe and the US combined in term of tech. Time will tell if their culture causes problem for them. Smart high intelligence people + st…

China is destined by US and European politicians to take power, because those in power are totally corrupt. This has nothing to do with the instrinsic abilities of respective populations. Same goes for Israel. And you have a strange definition of ethics given the amount of IP piracy going on with the blessing of occidental politicians.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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How is security taken care of when contributions are being done by Huawei (backdoors in 41k lines of sourcode?)? But I am guessing there is no real fight between open source software and state actors - perhaps someone who knows more about the security of the kernel can comment.

Huawei has already made some 'careless mistakes': https://www.zdnet.com/article/huawei-denies-involvement-in-b...

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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post #9

How is security taken care of when contributions are being done by Huawei (backdoors in 41k lines of sourcode?)? But I am guessing there is no real fight between open source software and state actors - perhaps someone who knows more about the security of the kernel can comment.

If a state actor really wants to do it and someone could get it past reviews, I am sure they could bribe any contributor from any country (including US). Why single out China? We never raised concerns with Russian contributors.

Maybe not single out China, but many people think China is particularly untrustworthy:

  they insist Chinese law is used outside China, and lecture people how they should refer to China in public;
  they operate concentration camps;
  the Chinese language has no word for *mutuality*, China benefits from free speech and access to institutions in the West but doesn't allow the same in China for journalists or businessmen;
  China treats Chinese-speaking minority in Western countries as Chinese citizens, and even blackmails them by threating their family;
  Winnie the Pooh is extremely thin-skinned and can have games like Devotion removed from Steam and GOG even after the reference is removed from the secret area in the game;
  there are many instances where businesses with Chinese shareholders were pressured not to publish anything mildly critical of China.
  BBC team visiting China investigating covid19 faced obstacles reminiscent of The Truman Show;
  WHO scientists investigating covid19 recently not permitted into China;
  China doesn't even formally frown at corruption;
  Journalists disappear or regularly get sentences in China;

Western liberal democracies have flaws, but I'll take Western values over Chinese values, thank you very much. Also, the West has less leverage over China than over Russia so it's important not to yield any ground.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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How is security taken care of when contributions are being done by Huawei (backdoors in 41k lines of sourcode?)? But I am guessing there is no real fight between open source software and state actors - perhaps someone who knows more about the security of the kernel can comment.

Eh you may want to read up about the NSA history of backdoors.

Saving people the google search, I believe secfirstmd is referring to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gRsgkdfYJ8

For anyone not good with faces the guy responding is Linus Torvalds who created and still manages Linux.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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How is security taken care of when contributions are being done by Huawei (backdoors in 41k lines of sourcode?)? But I am guessing there is no real fight between open source software and state actors - perhaps someone who knows more about the security of the kernel can comment.

Eh you may want to read up about the NSA history of backdoors.

Honestly, people seem to forget that this happened. They lose their shit at the slightest mention of Huawei/China but don't even have an issue using software released by the NSA[0].

Unpopular opinion, but if I had to choose between China and the U.S. spying on me, I would pick the one who's less likely to have me extradited from whatever country I am in or ban me from flying.

0.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghidra

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Gonna be great when Congress gets word of this

What can congress do? They're already blacklisted. The only thing left is to shoot your own foot. Maybe avoid that? I've seen nothing logical that came out of Trumps silly blacklisting except cashing out on the reputation the US had for pennies on the dollar. China is destined to be Europe and the US combined in term of tech. Time will tell if their culture causes problem for them. Smart high intelligence people + st…

Suggesting that human intelligence varies by race is a very old, very debunked idea that no-one believes any more outside of some small racist cliques.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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post #9

How is security taken care of when contributions are being done by Huawei (backdoors in 41k lines of sourcode?)? But I am guessing there is no real fight between open source software and state actors - perhaps someone who knows more about the security of the kernel can comment.

If a state actor really wants to do it and someone could get it past reviews, I am sure they could bribe any contributor from any country (including US). Why single out China? We never raised concerns with Russian contributors.

Reality check: if a state actor wants to add a backdoor it's easier at the parts closest to the consumer: the integrators, not the fundamental technology

Of course you could be playing the long game as well like with Dual-EC-DRBG

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Gonna be great when Congress gets word of this

What can congress do? They're already blacklisted. The only thing left is to shoot your own foot. Maybe avoid that? I've seen nothing logical that came out of Trumps silly blacklisting except cashing out on the reputation the US had for pennies on the dollar. China is destined to be Europe and the US combined in term of tech. Time will tell if their culture causes problem for them. Smart high intelligence people + st…

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Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Not surprising after I saw how many R&D offices Huawei has in Europe. They basically placed their offices right across their competitors like Ericsson, Nokia, Imagination, etc. to the point that in every European Tech hub you will find a Huawei office.

I do not know why you are down voted... I have seen Huawei from the inside and the number of devs and first grade researchers is staggering.

The researchers get payed very well, but what (to those I met) was even more important: they get all the assistance they want, plus 1. As one of them told me "I hate doing things twice. I now do not have to. I think of something, try to get it to work and I am done. The grinding is done for me." A truly very nice environment to do research in, with a boatload of resources at their fingertips.

Just check the number of patents Huawei [0] holds.

[0] https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1194023.shtml

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